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Forum topic by anthm27 posted 03-23-2018 09:22 AM 755 views 0 times favorited 22 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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anthm27

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03-23-2018 09:22 AM

I see the reviews of the Lie Nielsen or I think originally Lee Valley 7 1/2 Low angle jointing plane which is for what I would call larger stock,
Does anybody know if anybody produces a smaller jointer hand plane for like smaller woodworking pieces? I see a few ways of making jigs up for smaller hand planes but was interested if smaller type jointing planes are or where ever produced? Or are there brackets out there that will attach?
Thanks in advance


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BigYin

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#1 posted 03-23-2018 09:47 AM

stanley and record planes

#8 Jointer 24 inch x 2 5/8 wide #7 Jointer 22 inch x 2 3/8 wide #6 Fore plane 18 inch x 2 3/8 wide #5 1/2 Jack plane 15 inch x 2 3/8 & 2 1/4 wide

go here … http://primeshop.com/access/woodwork/stanleyplane/DataMisc.htm

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anthm27

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#2 posted 03-23-2018 09:53 AM


stanley and record planes

#8 Jointer 24 inch x 2 5/8 wide #7 Jointer 22 inch x 2 3/8 wide #6 Fore plane 18 inch x 2 3/8 wide #5 1/2 Jack plane 15 inch x 2 3/8 & 2 1/4 wide

go here … http://primeshop.com/access/woodwork/stanleyplane/DataMisc.htm

- BigYin

Thanks for the reply
Did the jack and fore planes come with a side mount fence for jointing?
Kind Regards

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Don W

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#3 posted 03-23-2018 10:12 AM

To answer your question here is a quote from “A Beginners Guide to Bench Planes – The Pocket Guide”

”It is very important to note however that these planes are designed to do these specific functions listed, but any plane can be set up to perform functions outside their designated roles. For instance a jointer can smooth, a smoother can be used to joint edges, and if the blade in a jack plane is not cambered and the jack plane tune accordingly, it can be used as a smoother.”

Almost any manufactured fence, modern or vintage will fit any bench plane down to a reasonable size. It’s not at all uncommon to find them on a #5.

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anthm27

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#4 posted 03-23-2018 10:14 AM



To answer your question here is a quote from “A Beginners Guide to Bench Planes – The Pocket Guide”

”It is very important to note however that these planes are designed to do these specific functions listed, but any plane can be set up to perform functions outside their designated roles. For instance a jointer can smooth, a smoother can be used to joint edges, and if the blade in a jack plane is not cambered and the jack plane tune accordingly, it can be used as a smoother.”

Almost any manufactured fence, modern or vintage will fit any bench plane down to a reasonable size. It s not at all uncommon to find them on a #5.

- Don W

Ok , great , I guess that is what I was eluding to. Now the question is where can I buy a manufactured fence for my smaller hand planes?
Kind Regards

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Don W

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#5 posted 03-23-2018 10:22 AM

I have one for sale (and you’ll get a copy of the book I quoted from)
http://www.timetestedtools.net/misc-tools/stanley-389-jointer-fence-my-389-022618-2-90/

or

http://www.leevalley.com/us/wood/page.aspx?p=41716&cat=1,41182

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anthm27

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#6 posted 03-23-2018 10:47 AM



I have one for sale (and you ll get a copy of the book I quoted from)
http://www.timetestedtools.net/misc-tools/stanley-389-jointer-fence-my-389-022618-2-90/

or

http://www.leevalley.com/us/wood/page.aspx?p=41716&cat=1,41182

- Don W

Ah interesting, so would your one fit my Lee Valley Smoothing and Jack planes?

It would be a long journey for me to pick it up, it is however possible.

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BigYin

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#7 posted 03-23-2018 11:19 AM

ANTHM27 << Did the jack and fore planes come with a side mount fence for jointing? >>

Easy and cheap fix for this is to find an old wood for plane or jointer, flatten base square to left side and screw on a piece of 1/2 in plywood extending 2 or 3 inches below the face. glue a piece of 1/4 py along the inside of your new fenct so the blade extends to the edge of the face

iain

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Don W

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#8 posted 03-23-2018 11:30 AM


I have one for sale (and you ll get a copy of the book I quoted from)
http://www.timetestedtools.net/misc-tools/stanley-389-jointer-fence-my-389-022618-2-90/

or

http://www.leevalley.com/us/wood/page.aspx?p=41716&cat=1,41182

- Don W

Ah interesting, so would your one fit my Lee Valley Smoothing and Jack planes?

It would be a long journey for me to pick it up, it is however possible.

- anthm27

I see you are not in the US. Sorry i didn’t look before. I don’t know if it would work or not, but the one on the lee valley site would.

That all said, A little practice and you do not need either.

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OSU55

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#9 posted 03-23-2018 12:33 PM

2 methods that alleviate the need for a fence (but I do have the LV fence which works on all my Stanleys 4-7):

Panel glue up – book end the edges and joint together. An angle wont matter, they will mate. They need to be flat tho.

Joint single edge – clamp the board to a table laying so the joint edge faces to table center. Elevate the board a 1/4 inch or so, so when the plane is on its side the blade contacts the full width of the board edge. Place the plane on its side, like a shooting board, and joint away. Use the blade skew lever to get a square edge – thats what the skew adjustment is for.

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8iowa

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#10 posted 03-23-2018 12:34 PM

The no. 6 “fore plane” ( originally intended to be used with a curved blade to hog off wood across the grain ) actually has better use today with the blade sharpened square and used as a jointer. As such it’s a good compromise between the no’s 5 and 7.

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Loren

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#11 posted 03-23-2018 05:47 PM

You can also buy or build a wooden plane
and cut it to the length you want.

I’ve made several. It’s not that hard to do.
I went over to iron planes because with wood
planes there’s daily adjustment needed
because of humidity changes. Fine work
can be done with either. Veritas sells a
hardware kit with a depth adjuster now
which would simplify working with a wood
plane imo.

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Don W

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#12 posted 03-23-2018 06:44 PM

You can also make a wooden fence.

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Jeremymcon

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#13 posted 03-23-2018 08:33 PM

I see you’re mostly looking for a fence to attach to a plane to help with getting 90 degree edges. The Lee valley fence (and I think the vintage Stanley’s) will only work if the side of pour plane is reasonably square to the sole. So might want to check whatever plane you’re hoping to use it with.

However, for small stock, I find it is simplest to do what another commenter above mentioned, and simply math plane the pieces you are trying to joint. If you do that, the angle of the edge doesn’t matter, as the pieces will complement each other to result in a flat panel.

Here’s a link that describes the process:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/logancabinetshoppe.wordpress.com/2008/09/10/edge-jointing-the-match-planing-method/amp/

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simmo

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#14 posted 03-23-2018 08:36 PM

Make a wooden fence. Sharpen blade to a straight edge not curved, clamp fence to side of plane, joint an edge, joint mating edge from other side of board so that any inaccuracies in angle cancel out

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#15 posted 03-23-2018 09:09 PM

Instead of the hand wrapped around the front knob….I “hook” my thumb on the plane’s edge about where the knob is. The rest of the hand tucks under the plane’s sole, and a knuckle or two rub against the board. You can feel IF the plane tilts in either direction.

Depending on the length of the board being jointed…anywhere from a #5-1/4 up to the #8 can work. Need a lot of rough cuts to remove first? Run a cambered jack along the edge a few times….less work for the jointer to do. The jack will knock down the worst of the rough/high spots, then the jointer can clean things up.

Basic set of jointers…Front to rear. #6c, #7c, and a #8.

Then there is a #5-1/2 sized plane. Also known as a Jumbo Jack plane.

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