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Forum topic by Tennessee posted 03-22-2018 01:10 PM 1272 views 2 times favorited 23 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Tennessee

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03-22-2018 01:10 PM

I own a couple of Grizzly tools, and have been happy with them. I have not ordered anything from them since early last year, when I ordered one of those Tormek knockoff wet wheel sharpeners. I ordered it online, and it shipped fairly quick, but I also noticed that on the website that it was soon after on backorder.

Now, I see a fair amount of people complaining about Grizzly not having stock on many items. Grizzly apparently runs a very lean inventory, to help lower prices. Typical in Continuous Improvement, lean inventory allows you to not have the company’s money tied up on the warehouse floor. The goal is to try and create a flow of money and machinery, not have big bubbles of machinery stuck on their warehouse floors that cost money to maintain, keep safe, move around, pay taxes on as an asset, etc. This would fit with their closing of the Muncy warehouse a few years back. Lean it all out.

But it seems now the economy has turned a bit, and people are starting to buy more. So Grizzly may not be adjusting their inventory numbers fast enough?

I’m speculating here, but I think Grizzly may be getting caught with their pants down, trying to sell machines off bare concrete. If so, there will be a horrible adjustment period, where they try to force their factories to build faster to make up new inventory numbers, and my guess is that the quality will suffer as their Asian Rim factories struggle to keep up.

As customer reps get pounded on the phones daily by disgruntled customers, they will get shorter with customers. As they lose customers to this situation, they will see the start of a spiral that is hard to get out of.

Just speculating, but that is the usual path if they don’t respond and bring up inventories. And it is hard to do when your own people are selling everything you put on the warehouse floor as fast as you can import it.

Just my opinion, but I think I would see how Grizzly performs on both shipping and quality wise in the next couple quarters before I would commit to a new machine of any consequence.

You have to be able to change on a dime, and once a lean inventory program is securely in place, a change in the economy can wreck havoc on that program.
We’ll see.

-- Tsunami Guitars and Custom Woodworking, Cleveland, TN


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GR8HUNTER

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#1 posted 03-22-2018 01:24 PM

personally i think closing muncy up was a very huge mistake IMHO :<))

-- Tony Reinholds,Pa. REMEMBER TO ALWAYS HAVE FUN

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TimInIndiana

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#2 posted 03-22-2018 01:42 PM

I haven’t ordered anything from Grizzly other than a granite surface plate which was in stock.

If you order a backordered item, do they charge you immediately or at the time of shipment? Been pondering getting my name on the list for the G0490X or something similar, with the expectation that I’d need to wait several months for it to arrive.

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DW833

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#3 posted 03-22-2018 02:10 PM

Had the same issue on a part last year. The table saw on/off switch and cover
was cracked and broken during a move. Five months after ordering it I got it.

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sras

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#4 posted 03-22-2018 02:15 PM



If you order a backordered item, do they charge you immediately or at the time of shipment?

My experience was that I was not charged until shipment.

-- Steve - Impatience is Expensive

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TimInIndiana

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#5 posted 03-22-2018 02:38 PM

I’d really like to purchase Grizzly equipment. Grizzly fits my needs and budget quite well. However, I find myself often considering spending more for (what I perceive to be) nicer quality and, in particular, a faster acquisition time. Would I spend an extra $500-$1,000 to have a tool in 10 days rather than 6+ months? Haven’t made that decision yet, but I anticipate it being a tough one!

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Tennessee

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#6 posted 03-22-2018 03:34 PM

I agree, Tim. I kind of went through that about 18 months ago, when I wanted to replace my small bandsaw. I thought I would get a Grizzly 0513, a larger saw to compliment my other 0513, but the particular model I wanted was out of stock, wait unknown months. I ended up buying a Powermatic with a riser block off my Woodcraft floor for 10% off. Looking back, glad I got the PM although I still love my G0513X2BF that I have had since 2012.

-- Tsunami Guitars and Custom Woodworking, Cleveland, TN

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#7 posted 03-22-2018 04:07 PM

Many years ago Grizzly had a a lot of
competitors. Now I don’t see anything
available close to Grizzly’s rock-bottom
prices.

Everybody would scream bloody murder
if Grizzly boosted prices but considering
the level of service folks seem to want from
them…

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smitdog

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#8 posted 03-22-2018 04:14 PM

The age old question….

-- Jarrett - Mount Vernon, Ohio

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Tennessee

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#9 posted 03-22-2018 04:23 PM



Many years ago Grizzly had a a lot of
competitors. Now I don t see anything
available close to Grizzly s rock-bottom
prices.

Everybody would scream bloody murder
if Grizzly boosted prices but considering
the level of service folks seem to want from
them…

- Loren

Festool quality and customer service at Grizzly pricing? Not too much to ask…LOLOLOL

-- Tsunami Guitars and Custom Woodworking, Cleveland, TN

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bbasiaga

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#10 posted 03-22-2018 06:39 PM

I had read elsewhere, probably here, that there is a particular problem with the Chinese government allocating raw materials at the moment, which is causing a lack of production at the factories at the moment. Don’t know if it is true, but it is another example of how lean supply chain looks great on paper, and works less well in reality, at least in businesses like grizzly’s.

Brian

-- Part of engineering is to know when to put your calculator down and pick up your tools.

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runswithscissors

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#11 posted 03-22-2018 09:40 PM

This is only idle speculation, but founder Balolia has been at this since the early or mid-eighties. Perhaps he is backing off a bit from his intensive management of the business, or maybe retiring altogether. Next generation management doesn’t always work out so well. I live only a few miles from the Bellingham facility, and I’ll see what I can coax out of the sales clerks next time I’m in there.

-- I admit to being an adrenaline junky; fortunately, I'm very easily frightened

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Tennessee

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#12 posted 03-22-2018 10:21 PM

runswithscissors, you may be on to something:

From the Commodity Discovery Fund website, a fund dedicated to the buying and selling of raw materials: Chinese demand for raw materials will accelerate
In case we needed more evidence that China is in need of more and more raw materials, the coming years, the Chinese Minister of Land and Natural Resources today announced that by 2020 it will encounter serious shortages in 25 different raw materials. Currently China is experiencing shortages in 11 metals that are critical for the development of the Chinese economy. China is the world’s largest user of iron, copper, lead and zinc.

The Minister states that China will need to ramp-up the import of raw materials considerably in order to meet the rapidly rising domestic demand. Consumption will increase because of the planned acceleration in the modernization of industry, urbanization and agriculture. Domestic production will no longer be able to keep up with demand for a large group raw materials, by 2020. Already the speed of exploration is lagging the rate of production, thereby depleting reserves. The only alternative, then, is to increase the rate of imports, and this can only mean that China will become even more aggressive in acquiring raw material projects abroad.

-- Tsunami Guitars and Custom Woodworking, Cleveland, TN

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#13 posted 03-23-2018 12:56 AM

Hey I’m late to the party. I have a number of Grizzly tools. Sold my 14 inch bandsaw for a little over what I paid for it to finance my new 17 inch bandsaw. Purchased the 3 hp dust collector to suck the dust out of my shop. and I have the cabinet saw prior to the riving knife. Oh yeh the air filtration system that I chose over Jet because 1/4 of the complaints were “arrived broke.”

That said I’m looking for the 3 hp surface planer. Haven’t seen anything out there matching the price points of quality, service and pricing. When I wanted to purchase it it was the same thing as this discussion, At least 3 months wait. Interesting that was the same issue for machines matching my criteria. Less expensive and more expensive noted “in Stock.”

I remember 7 years ago the “Great Recession” caused many company losses as well as small woodworking businesses going out of business as disposable income didn’t exist. You could have gotten a great deal from Grizzly at that time, but I didn’t have any money as well.

Today’s announcement of Tariffs on Chinese products with a list to be made available may also affect Grizzly and all the other makers of equipment that have factories in china.

Good post with interesting views on the Big Bear.

-- Cau Haus Designs, Thomas J. Tieffenbacher

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cochranjd

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#14 posted 03-29-2018 02:56 PM

I ordered a G0490x (first jointer for me – super excited) on 2/23 with the expectation that it would likely be summer before it came in.

When I first ordered, their projected date of arrival to Grizzly was sometime in April. Every few weeks I’ve been calling to check and the 2nd time I called they said they should have enough to cover my order by 3/30 (tomorrow as of me posting this).

I just got off the phone and while the date hasn’t actually changed, they said it is unlikely to be in by then since it still isn’t “confirmed”. A bit of a bummer, but still in line with my initial expectations.

They haven’t charged me yet to answer the question some had above.

The biggest concern for me is what happens if there is something wrong with the item when I get it. I haven’t had issues with Grizzly in the past (have a table saw and band saw from them), but have heard they are great when folks get the occassional dud. Wondering how this will impact that type of service reputation.

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#15 posted 04-08-2018 04:29 AM

Hey, brand new to this site but feel like i have to chime in. I ordered a 20” planer and the 8” G0490x jointer from Grizzly in November of 2017. Due to arrive by the end of last year. Then end of Jan.2018, then March something, both were going to be delivered last friday, April 6…

I have had to call every time for an update, despite being told I would be kept up to speed about my back ordered tools. Grizzly is now saying end of May, but no way to say for sure, maybe June. This is ridiculous. The price point for the features is what sold me like so many others I’m sure, and I’ve been very patient and nice. But this is getting silly.
I’m currently shopping trying to figure out where else to get these tools, and very disappointed in being led along for so long. I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for grizzly to deliver.

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