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Crashcup

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03-21-2018 05:32 PM

Hi all,

I’m very close to pulling the trigger on the purchase of a Laguna P Flux 3 dust collector. Acme has 10% off these, making the price $1619, but with $75 “handling fee” and sales tax, it comes to $1810. My local Rockler will match that.

Today I noticed an online seller www.lagunabandsaws.com, that has this DC for $1620, also $75 shipping, but appears to not collect sales tax (will confirm that before ordering if I go here). That would save me $116.

But I had never heard of the place before. The website looks just a little… flaky. They do say they’re a Laguna authorized reseller.. for whatever that’s worth.

Anyone here buy from them? Are they legit? Good or bad experience dealing with them?
I did a search here, and found several threads where the website is referenced, but couldn’t find where anyone had talked about how well it went buying from them.

(Oh, and regarding better cyclone units out there, I’m stuck with a 90” ceiling height, which eliminates a lot of them, and I need to be able to align the cyclone inlet toward the side of the machine, and that leaves out the 3hp Jet cyclone. So I’ve narrowed it down to the Laguna).


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EarlS

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#1 posted 03-21-2018 06:00 PM

I own a Laguna C Flux 1.5 HP DC. To be quite honest, it is an over priced, not especially well design DC. There are bells and whistles on it that don’t really help with better dust collection. For example, the bin for the accumulated dust probably weighs 30+ lbs and is very small , but a royal pain to empty. The plastic bag under the filter is little more than a glorified garbage bag that is also a pain to empty and re-secure. It also takes up quite a bit of floor space and it is REALLY LOUD. I’m doubtful that my dust collection is any better than the old 1 stage Delta DC I replaced. And, as I said before, it is also expensive.

I guess my recommendation is to keep looking. I think you could build one working off of the various LJ forums and postings for a whole lot less and be much more satisfied with it.

-- Earl "I'm a pessamist - generally that increases the chance that things will turn out better than expected"

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Crashcup

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#2 posted 03-21-2018 08:45 PM



I own a Laguna C Flux 1.5 HP DC. To be quite honest, it is an over priced, not especially well design DC. There are bells and whistles on it that don t really help with better dust collection. For example, the bin for the accumulated dust probably weighs 30+ lbs and is very small , but a royal pain to empty. The plastic bag under the filter is little more than a glorified garbage bag that is also a pain to empty and re-secure. It also takes up quite a bit of floor space and it is REALLY LOUD. I m doubtful that my dust collection is any better than the old 1 stage Delta DC I replaced. And, as I said before, it is also expensive.

I guess my recommendation is to keep looking. I think you could build one working off of the various LJ forums and postings for a whole lot less and be much more satisfied with it.

- EarlS

Okay, not exactly what I was looking for, but I appreciate the feedback. The only other option I figured was left is, as you suggested, building something. What I envisioned was a 3HP single-stage DC, mount the motor/blower assembly on the wall, with the output of the blower going right into the “donut”, leaving out the ducting in between. Then lose the bags and replace with a Wynn filter cartridge. Add a super dust deputy XL, with the blower inlet connected directly above. Then add some type of drum below the DD.

I’ve seen posts and videos where guys have done this, often with the Harbor Freight DC. Guess I’m not too sure how good the performance would be compared to a unit with all the parts engineered to work together.

It’s possible it could be less money. Even if I bought a Grizzly 3HP unit for $584, add the Wynn filter for around $200, add the DD XL for around $240, allow around $85 for a drum and wheels/cart, that adds up to just over $1100. No doubt I’d need to buy extra hardware and possibly plywood to put everything together and running… so might finish up at around $1250, $1300??? Still cheaper than the 3hp C Flux. Maybe if I was more confident i the performance….

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BikerDad

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#3 posted 03-21-2018 11:07 PM

They are legit. M&M Machinery, who is running the site, is a 2nd or 3rd generation tool dealer in Salt Lake City. Toy store extreme, as they cater to both the construction and woodworking/cabinetry markets.

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#4 posted 03-21-2018 11:19 PM

I can’t comment on the website you mentioned other than generally, I’d pay a bit more for something from a website I know, than for a “deal” from a sketchy site.

I’m not a fan of Laguna generally due to the CS horror stories that seem to be recurrent…that said, the P Flex 3 appears to be a reasonable DC; it has a 15.5” impeller which is great, it’ll take full advantage of the 3hp motor. A comparable DC unit would be the Oneida V-3000; also 3hp but more money, smaller impeller and smaller filter size.
The fancy stuff on the Laguna is likely overkill; I have a 35 gallon dust bin which is really heavy when full; the metal Laguna bin must be really difficult to tip. Also the “silencing” enclosure seems silly as it doesn’t really enclose the DC.

However, you’re prob better off buying a complete system rather than trying to cobble together something. If you’re serious enough about DC to get a 3hp system you’ll really appreciate the efficiency of a cyclone unit. As well, the Grizzly 3hp unit has a terribly undersized impeller at 12.75”.

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Crashcup

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#5 posted 03-22-2018 12:03 AM

Well, it’s a lot of money, so it’s good to be sure. Maybe I need to read/view more reviews. I didn’t realize the bin was a pain to empty… actually the opposite, I was thinking it looked very convenient to detach and wheel outside. But that’s just me looking at it; have never tried it out.

Manitario, now that you mention Oneida, I was thinking the V-3000 was too tall, but revisiting the site, I see it’s at 88”, and I’ve got 90” to work with. I have heard good things about the performance on these. Although it does look like it would take longer to get the bin off to empty.

I’m also not real impressed with the extra features on the P|FLux line; I’m looking at the C|Flux. I think I can live without automatic filter cleaning and warning lights.

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John_H

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#6 posted 03-22-2018 01:03 AM

Crash – when I purchased my Laguna bandsaw through WoodWerks it was basically drop shipped from Laguna. If you have any doubts about lagunabandsaw.com, call them up and ask them if they have it in stock or will it be shipped directly to you from Laguna. I am thinking that most places don’t actually physically stock these things.

Your paying by credit card, so not a whole lot can go wrong if it’s direct from Laguna

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#7 posted 03-22-2018 01:26 AM



Well, it s a lot of money, so it s good to be sure. Maybe I need to read/view more reviews. I didn t realize the bin was a pain to empty… actually the opposite, I was thinking it looked very convenient to detach and wheel outside. But that s just me looking at it; have never tried it out.

Manitario, now that you mention Oneida, I was thinking the V-3000 was too tall, but revisiting the site, I see it s at 88”, and I ve got 90” to work with. I have heard good things about the performance on these. Although it does look like it would take longer to get the bin off to empty.

I m also not real impressed with the extra features on the P|FLux line; I m looking at the C|Flux. I think I can live without automatic filter cleaning and warning lights.

- Crashcup

Do some searching on this site as there were a couple threads specifically on this dust collector and the dust separation was rather disappointing and in other places I have read they say the same thing. I am not a fan of the filter cleaners that they use. They are hard on the filters and if you have a good cyclone separator, the need for cleaning the filter should be minimal.

Laguna makes really nice looking machines that are impressive to look at but aside from their bandsaws, I have not seen anything special in performance that makes me feel the need to spend the extra money on them.
The past reviews of customer service have been really bad but recently, it does look that they have worked hard to improve that part of their problem.

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John_H

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#8 posted 03-22-2018 02:17 AM

I bought a 3hp JDS Cyclone a couple of years ago – basically the same thing Laguna was selling before they updated their line. It looks like this

Here is the updated Laguna – you can see the resemblance. Same basic design

Filter cleaning mechanism

I looked at the ClearVue and just about everything else and this fit my needs and I needed something portable. (I don’t have a dedicated ‘wood shop’ and I didn’t want to run 6” ducting from the ceiling)

Frankly, it works great. I never have any problems with the filter – only a very small amount of fine dust ever makes it through the cyclone into the plastic bag. I can’t remember the last time I had to actually empty it – and a simple clamp holds the bag on. The only thing I don’t like about it is everytime you shut it off, it has a motorized filter cleaner – basically some flappers rotate around knocking any dust off and it makes a heck of a lot of noise (I deactivate it most of the time).

Here is a short review from wood magazine on it
https://www.woodmagazine.com/review/dust-collection/dust-collectors/jds-3hp-portable-cyclone

Here is a video someone put togethor of the JDS – you can see how it is made
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWWem2qb50w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc1pZRrSp6A

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Crashcup

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#9 posted 03-22-2018 03:18 AM



I bought a 3hp JDS Cyclone a couple of years ago – basically the same thing Laguna was selling before they updated their line. It looks like this

Here is the updated Laguna – you can see the resemblance. Same basic design

Filter cleaning mechanism

I looked at the ClearVue and just about everything else and this fit my needs and I needed something portable. (I don t have a dedicated wood shop and I didn t want to run 6” ducting from the ceiling)

Frankly, it works great. I never have any problems with the filter – only a very small amount of fine dust ever makes it through the cyclone into the plastic bag. I can t remember the last time I had to actually empty it – and a simple clamp holds the bag on. The only thing I don t like about it is everytime you shut it off, it has a motorized filter cleaner – basically some flappers rotate around knocking any dust off and it makes a heck of a lot of noise (I deactivate it most of the time).

Here is a short review from wood magazine on it
https://www.woodmagazine.com/review/dust-collection/dust-collectors/jds-3hp-portable-cyclone

Here is a video someone put togethor of the JDS – you can see how it is made
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWWem2qb50w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc1pZRrSp6A

- John_H

That’s great… hopefully the Laguna works as well if I buy that. Judging from the pictures, it looks like the cyclone is even a little bit taller on the Laguna than the JDS. Definitely similar design though.

This is the C | Flux 3, it doesn’t have the extra panel or other bells and whistles.

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John_H

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#10 posted 03-22-2018 07:30 AM

I couldn’t find it earlier – but here it is. This is the Laguna version of the JDS – virtually identical except for the color scheme. On the updated versions, they look like they extended where the cone narrows down. The older ones had a flexible hose so that you can lift up the top of the container to get it out and now it appears to be solid metal. Looks like you lift up that bar and that lowers the drum to get it out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGQ4Vzj_Ihc

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