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Blackie_

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03-21-2018 01:16 PM

Roughly 3 to 4 years ago I purchased the DeWalt DCD 771 cordless drill kit $99.00, batteries have now failed, no longer taking a charge. When shopping for replacement batteries I’m finding that they cost more ($149.00) than buying a whole new drill kit at the same cost of $99.00.

<delete> Would this classify the dewalt cordless drill as disposable ? </delete>
Are the DeWalt line of the tools starting to fall under the disposable tool category? In other words no longer holding their value as a dependable long lasting tool?

Knowing that batteries will fail at some point and also knowing the cost of replacing batteries can be overly expensive, I’m now debating whether to just buy a 20V 3/8” cordless Black & Decker drill at $49 or purchasing the Dewalt kit once again at $99 knowing that I’m only going to get 3 to 4 years out of it anyway and with the price of replacement batteries it to becoming a disposable tool?

Edit in, 8:23PM; I made the disposable remark without an understanding, now after following the line of comments below I now have an understanding and a correction to strike that statement.

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Tennessee

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#1 posted 03-21-2018 01:27 PM

OK, I’ll probably get hosed for this, but I was in the market to start replacing my little Rigid 12V drills, which I have had three of for years. They each came with two batteries, and I have rotated them carefully as time went along, but I can tell that after five plus years, they are starting to lose their capability.

So I went out and popped $130 for the new, Rigid brushless unit with two batteries. Little heavier, but more time, more torque, etc. Overall, a good unit.

THEN…I got a coupon from HF on the new Bauer drills, and for $80, I got a new drill with two batteries, charger and case. Also, the replacement batteries are only $19.95. The reviews are raving on this thing, and I agree. Heck of a bargain.

You could walk into a Walmart and buy a B&D setup for $45-50, but I bet you would be sorely disappointed.
On the other hand, forking out $125-150 for a major brand sucks also, knowing as you say, it has a clock in it. I find the Bauer a nice middle ground, and the doggone thing holds a charge longer than my new Rigid does. Just have to get past the HF thinking.

-- Tsunami Guitars and Custom Woodworking, Cleveland, TN

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bc4393

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#2 posted 03-21-2018 01:28 PM

Are you sure they are the exact same batteries? My buddy has a Dewalt setup and said he got new generation batteries that were retrofitted to his older driver.

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Handtooler

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#3 posted 03-21-2018 01:36 PM

Blackie, If you, by chance, have a “Batteries+Blubs’ outlet in your shopping reach, they may 1) Have cheaper replacements, or 2) canre boot/charge your current batteries with their special equipment. Check them.

-- Russell Pitner Hixson, TN 37343 bassboy40@outlook.com

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Blackie_

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#4 posted 03-21-2018 01:38 PM

Tennessee, I’m curious as to whether the brushless making less draw on batteries thus making them last longer is worth the extra cost measuring out the time between brushed and brushless?

I’m also onboard with you on that Bauer drill, I’ll look into that,

BC, out of all the batteries that Lowe’s and Homedepot offer I quoted their cheapest set of batteries at $149.

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Blackie_

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#5 posted 03-21-2018 01:39 PM

Russell, I just so happen to have a batteries plus in my neighborhood I’ll give them a shot thanks.

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs

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TimInIndiana

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#6 posted 03-21-2018 01:48 PM

I recently purchased Ridgid drill/driver kit, which came with 2 4.0 AH batteries. Does anyone have experience with getting the replacement batteries via the lifetime service agreement? I’m certainly not to that point yet, but do have everything properly registered and will want to use that service agreement when it comes time.

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builtinbkyn

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#7 posted 03-21-2018 01:54 PM

I just picked up a DeWalt DCD791. The thing is a beast. It’s compact and has plenty of torque. It has a great work light built in too. It is a brushless motor and yes, the battery seems to hold a charge for a longer time. But that’s an unscientific judgement. A few weeks earlier I bought a DeWalt impact driver. It’s fine, but wish I purchased the brushless version. I got the brushed version. I got these to supplement my old PC set as they seem to be getting a bit sloppy and the batteries aren’t holding a charge the way they used to. They’ve been well used in the 10 years I’ve had them :)

Overall I should have just bit the bullet originally, and bought the kit. I would have saved some vs purchasing them individually. If you’re willing to go with the brushed version, HD has the kit on sale now.

-- Bill, Yo!......in Brooklyn & Steel City :)

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dhazelton

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#8 posted 03-21-2018 01:59 PM

The Harbor Freight is a good option if you don’t do heavy drilling as the batteries don’t make the juice that is claimed on the package. (caution – swearin’ and cussin’ will ensue)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZfYF9aIO7U&t=742s

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Edwardnorton

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#9 posted 03-21-2018 02:37 PM

Personally I stopped buying “brand name” tools a long time ago. I have gone the way of spending hundreds on them only to have them fail, wear out & stop working far to soon for the money spent on them. I am like you in that I believe that they make these batteries to fail (kind of like an expiration date) in order to force you to buy new ones. Sort of a forced buy so to speak so that their money keeps coming in on those batteries.

I have found that the “cheap” tool batteries last as long if not longer than those brand name batteries. In my area we have a Menards, Lowes & harbor Freight. I have been using a Masterforce brand from menards for 2 years now and that set is still working like brand new, yet I only spent $75 on it. I also bought a cordless (was in a pinch) from harbor freight and it also is still working like new. That drill was $25 or so. I am sure my comments are not much help but it does make one wonder why those high end batteries do not last.

-- EdwardNorton

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#10 posted 03-21-2018 03:06 PM

All battery tools are dispensable compared to the cost of replacement batteries.

My strategy is to buy several sets of the same voltage & brand tool if I like the tool. That way I get extra batteries and a spare tool. Then I start watching for deals on replacement batteries.

I use to get PC cordless tools but the batteries didn’t seem to last as long.

I know tend to get Milwaukee, Bosch or Makita cordless tools and the batteries seem to last pretty long.

I think the way you treat your batteries will determine how long they last.

What a battery need recharging I plug the charger into an outlet that has a 12 hour timer that controls it. I set it for 3 hours and forget it. That way after 3 hours the charger is turned off and not constantly trying to charge the battery.

I’ve had a set (6) of Milwaukee 24v batteries for over 10 years.

-- Tyvekboy -- Marietta, GA ………….. one can never be too organized

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woodbutcherbynight

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#11 posted 03-21-2018 03:46 PM

Battery life is like tires on your car. They say 30-50,000 miles and you have a reasonable expectation they should last that long. But how you drive, what you drive on and what kind of shape you vehicle is in are variables that must be factored in.

Charging cycles (each time you put in in charger) are usually expected at 1000. So in theory if you charged every day you get 2 2/3 years. BUT smart chargers top off if you leave them in and the charger plugged in. As tyvekboy said using a timer to shut down the charger limits this top off feature.

How they are stored is another factor in longevity. Heat kills. Leave it in the sunlight for extended periods of time, and this affects charge and battery life.

Dropping or throwing batteries is bad, just saying… LOL

Several options for replacement batteries. Look online for best price replacements, or alternative non brand name ones. For my Milwaukee 12 volt I found some that have worked well for 2 years. If you own older 18 volt Ryobi NiCad batteries the new 18 volt lithium ion batteries were designed to fit and work well. probably the only manufacturer that I have heard of that does this.

Lastly these companies are in the business of making money, they design accordingly. It sucks but it is what it is.

For those interested in timers like tyvekboy mentioned here is link to a project I did to address this issue. http://lumberjocks.com/projects/261514

-- Live to tell the stories, they sound better that way.

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#12 posted 03-21-2018 03:53 PM



Roughly 3 to 4 years ago I purchased the DeWalt DCD 771 cordless drill kit $99.00, batteries have now failed, no longer taking a charge. When shopping for replacement batteries I’m finding that they cost more ($149.00) than buying a whole new drill kit at the same cost of $99.00.

Would this classify the dewalt cordless drill as disposable ? Why is a Ryobi 18 V cordless drill kit two batteries and charger priced the same amount as the DeWalt cordless drill kit ?
Are the DeWalt line of the tools starting to fall under the disposable tool category? In other words no longer holding their value as a dependable long lasting tool?

Knowing that batteries will fail at some point and also knowing the cost of replacing batteries can be overly expensive, I’m now debating whether to just buy a 20V 3/8” cordless Black & Decker drill at $49 or purchasing the Dewalt kit once again at $99 knowing that I’m only going to get 3 to 4 years out of it anyway and with the price of replacement batteries it to becoming a disposable tool?

- Blackie_

$150 for replacement 20v max batteries? That seems excessive. I’ve seen two packs in stores for $99 or less. Unless you are wanting the higher ah batteries. I have the DeWalt line and use the 2ah batteries in my drill and driver and they last more than a day on a charge while I am working on a house flip.

-- But where does the meat go?

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Blackie_

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#13 posted 03-21-2018 04:21 PM

Yeshacesone, you sir win the golden prize.

After Reading your comment it got me to thinking perhaps I better go out there and get the model number off of the batteries and search that way, come to find out none of the batteries that Lowes or Home Depot carry fit my drill or at least they’re not the same model number, so I googled and found a set of batteries on Amazon two batteries the correct model number for $83.

The batteries in question are model number DCB 207 1.3AH so I’m assuming that perhaps one set of the batteries that Home Depot and Lowe’s carry would fit but they are a higher amperage hence higher priced due to them being higher AH?

It never fails that when ever I post a dilemma type of problem or question you guys always come through for me. I learn something

-- Randy - If I'm not on LJ's then I'm making Saw Dust. Please feel free to visit my store location at http://www.facebook.com/randy.blackstock.custom.wood.designs

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Fresch

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#14 posted 03-21-2018 04:39 PM

I go to the batterie guy who just reloads them with new rechargeables $80 both batteries for My green drill.

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Blackie_

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#15 posted 03-21-2018 04:42 PM

Fresch I’m going to take them both to batteries plus first

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