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Forum topic by Ron Aylor posted 03-21-2018 11:39 AM 1656 views 0 times favorited 52 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Ron Aylor

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03-21-2018 11:39 AM

Topic tags/keywords: project posting

Project Appeal –

Have you ever wondered what makes one project more worthy of traffic and comment than the other? I sure have. All to often I see very intricate pieces stand idle while a not so complex project garners a windstorm of discussion and viewership. Why is that? Does a project’s intricacy/simplicity even play a part? Does it have to do with the timing of the posting? Or, is it something else?

For example, I posted a completed project on 2/12/18.
 
              
 
This project has been viewed 1797 times and has received 29 comments since that time.
 
I posted another completed project on 3/19/18.
 
               
 
This second project, in just four days, was viewed 1947 times and received 43 comments. I wonder why that is?

What makes these two projects so different? Is it perhaps the subject matter, or the way they were presented? Is it the intricacy of one versus the simplicity of the other? Or, was it the timing of the posting?

What do you think? Please be honest. Thanks!


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#1 posted 03-21-2018 11:53 AM

I think a number of factors are at play. When you post it, how many other projects get posted around the same time, how many people check the projects tab and not just the daily top 15, etc.

I also think there are a good number of jocks that may be more interested in looking at projects that, at a glance, look like something reasonably approachable for them. There are truly beautiful works of art on here, but I’m usually scoping out projects to seek out inspiration for my own, so something of too high a skill level may get overlooked.

This may explain why, if I’m not mistaken, shop projects tend to get loads of traffic compared to fine furniture projects.

-- "Ladies, if your husband says he'll get to it, he'll get to it. No need to remind him about it every 6 months."

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#2 posted 03-21-2018 11:55 AM

I often wonder the same thing. However, getting 29 comments is not bad. I know when I post some projects, I will get very few comments. For instance, I posted a small Bluetooth amplifier box and had one comment. Not fine woodworking but might be useful to someone wanting a shop amplifier.

One is certainly the subject matter. Currently, a good wood truck model gets a lot of interest.

Sometimes, it seems that simple woodworking projects get more interest than well crafted ones.

Another thing is the first picture which is shown on the project page. Too often, the picture doesn’t show the project well. Taking pictures in portrait mode will often cut off the picture on the project page. I have found that landscape with a proportion of 4:3 shows well. Also some pictures are hard to see do to poor lighting or clutter in the background. Also, I do not look at projects that are sideways or upside down.

Sometimes, it just is the fickle nature of forums and people.

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#3 posted 03-21-2018 12:15 PM

I agree with the statement by Dustin concerning shop projects, my non-scientific observation of the Top 3 awards which I think are based on volume of views in a short time span, go to shop projects and jigs. I think woodworkers like the idea of making their own tools, jigs, and shop appliances, that make their work more accurate & easier, and help improve their skills.

-- "I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The point is to bring them the real facts." - Abraham Lincoln

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#4 posted 03-21-2018 12:17 PM

It seems subjects dealing with tools, skills, and shop setup get more “action” vs finished projects. More how to vs finished item. Complexity does seems to push away vs pull in as well. Probably relates to experience and knowledge level of the entire group being skewed to the lesser end of the scale.

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#5 posted 03-21-2018 12:20 PM

Also here to say that shop furnishings, tools and jigs do much better than you would otherwise expect. Plus time of day, as Dustin mentioned. And finally, that all important first picture. If the project doesn’t stand out on the projects page, people can miss it. I know I have in some cases.

-- Dave - Minneapolis

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Tennessee

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#6 posted 03-21-2018 01:18 PM

Agree with the guys above, shop projects get first attention. Why not? We are here to admire but also to learn. I used these projects to find some guidelines on the steady rest I built for my lathe.

As far as other things – I am in the camp where I often look for things that I can make in my shop to sell. I don’t copy them directly, usually put my own twist on them, but they attract me. There was a recent butterfly project posted by someone, can’t remember, so sorry – it caught my eye, (didn’t have that many views or comments), but I said to myself, “That would sell in my gallery”, so I printed them out and made my own version.

Others find that some of the projects are just too far out of their capabilities to try, so they keep going. Your first project would fall into that category, whereas the drawer unit as a bed would be much more within the capabilities of many of the people on this forum. Not many people can do your first project, which I’m not sure I would even be willing to try.
Many can follow the other, and there would be quite a few who probably would use that as a piece of furniture.

Other times, I just look at things and comment on them, especially where you can tell that people are reaching and trying to do something that is very hard for them. I love that, expanding and doing things you didn’t think you could.

-- Tsunami Guitars and Custom Woodworking, Cleveland, TN

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Ron Aylor

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#7 posted 03-21-2018 02:21 PM


... there are a good number of jocks that may be more interested in looking at projects that, at a glance, look like something reasonably approachable for them … shop projects tend to get loads of traffic compared to fine furniture projects.

- Dustin


... certainly the subject matter … seems that simple woodworking projects get more interest than well crafted ones.

- Redoak49


... volume of views in a short time span, go to shop projects and jigs … woodworkers like the idea of making their own tools, jigs, and shop appliances …

- Oldtool


... seems subjects dealing with tools, skills, and shop setup get more “action” vs finished projects. More how to vs finished item. Complexity does seems to push away vs pull in … relates to experience and knowledge level of the entire group being skewed to the lesser end of the scale.

- OSU55


... shop furnishings, tools and jigs do much better … plus time of day … and finally, that all important first picture.

- Dave Polaschek


... shop projects get first attention … some of the projects are just too far out of their capabilities to try …

- Tennessee

Pretty decent consensus. Sounds like jigs & fixtures, and easy is king. Interesting …

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#8 posted 03-21-2018 02:45 PM

I think it is at least partially due to relatability, not many folks will make a Pre Dieu, or even know what one is, but we all make shop storage solutions. I am also personally drawn to simple designs, and there is something special to me in regards to projects built for the shop. Your shop has particular interest to me due to the fact it is a hand tool shop and completely unplugged.

-- opiningminnesotan.com

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#9 posted 03-21-2018 03:42 PM


I think it is at least partially due to relatability, not many folks will make a Pre Dieu, or even know what one is, but we all make shop storage solutions. I am also personally drawn to simple designs, and there is something special to me in regards to projects built for the shop. Your shop has particular interest to me due to the fact it is a hand tool shop and completely unplugged.

- IantheTinker


Thanks, Ian. I’m starting to see how relatability  can be a factor … thank you for your candor. Thanks also for the interest in my shop. Are you thinking about pulling the plug?

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jbay

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#10 posted 03-21-2018 03:52 PM

Popularity in the community plays a big part on numbers.

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woodbutcherbynight

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#11 posted 03-21-2018 04:14 PM


I think it is at least partially due to relatability, not many folks will make a Pre Dieu, or even know what one is, but we all make shop storage solutions. I am also personally drawn to simple designs, and there is something special to me in regards to projects built for the shop. Your shop has particular interest to me due to the fact it is a hand tool shop and completely unplugged.

- IantheTinker

Thanks, Ian. I m starting to see how relatability  can be a factor … thank you for your candor. Thanks also for the interest in my shop. Are you thinking about pulling the plug?

- Ron Aylor


Popularity in the community plays a big part on numbers.

- jbay

Good points. I would add that the complexity and craftsmanship level probably deter the average lurkers here. Woodworkers are a rare breed, those at you guys level even rarer. I am thinking intimidation factor plays a role as well. Many do not post projects thinking it is not good enough seeing excellent examples of some fine pieces we have here and say ahh mine is $%^& compared to THAT.

-- Live to tell the stories, they sound better that way.

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#12 posted 03-21-2018 04:16 PM

I m starting to see how relatability  can be a factor

The girl-next-door look is always popular.

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#13 posted 03-21-2018 05:46 PM

I enjoy seeing all the projects here. I think I would be more inclined to make your hardware storage cabinet before I would make the prie dieu. I have shown both projects to my students and other IA teachers at my school. All of them agree that both projects are awesome. I think we all agree the prie dieu is an advanced project that most of us could not build. Most of us could tackle the hardware storage cabinet. Of course we would modify the design so that we could plug in and do it. :) Both projects are impressive…...

-- K. Stone “Tell me and I forget, teach me and I may remember, involve me and I learn.” ― Benjamin Franklin

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#14 posted 03-21-2018 05:53 PM



Popularity in the community plays a big part on numbers.

- jbay


JBay, please elaborate. Thanks!

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#15 posted 03-21-2018 06:00 PM

Good pictures go a long way. If the thumbnail doesn’t look interesting, is badly framed, too dark, or the pictures are sideways I pass on by. I know it’s unfair but I tend to think that the builder probably puts the same effort onto their project as they do the photos.

-- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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