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Forum topic by Winny94 posted 03-17-2018 01:29 AM 2070 views 0 times favorited 15 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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03-17-2018 01:29 AM

I’m really debating between upgrading my craftsman 113 or buying a well used cabinet saw. This mid 80s powermatic 66 came up and we don’t see many around here so it’s hard to judge price. The seller has a price, but is also taking offers – what is fair and what would considered a steal ?


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#1 posted 03-17-2018 02:10 AM

300-500$. No more for me.

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#2 posted 03-17-2018 02:13 AM

I wouldn’t go for over $400 for that saw. It’s pretty beat-up. You haven’t specified if this saw is Single-Phase or Three Phase…..3 phase is still do-able, but it’s going to be an added expense. Go through the paces of that saw VERY CAREFULLY, there could be a cracked casting in the trunnion. I’m suspicious of it, because it’s missing the fence. That’s never a good sign.

Plan on at least $250 for a decent fence, plus another $200 or so to clean that thing up and replace the arbor and motor bearings. It also has no throat plate, unless it’s not pictured, but they aren’t free either.

If you plan on going for the long-haul and have around $1000 to $1500 to spend, I would get it. But, it’s clearly not plug and play. It’s a beast of a saw, when right, but it could end up being a money-pit, too.

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#3 posted 03-17-2018 02:18 AM

Thanks guys. I think I’ll pass on this one.

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#4 posted 03-17-2018 02:28 AM

How much do they want?

If you want a used machine more than a couple years old you’re gonna have to learn how to change belts and bearings. Otherwise you won’t be getting much value out of your used purchases.

Things break. But you aren’t buying a new machine. You just look for major things as you break it down to haul it. It’s usually easy to spot.

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#5 posted 03-17-2018 02:50 AM

As long as the bearings were not noisy, it was single phase, and no obvious cracks in cast iron;
I’d pay $600, maybe $650 if I planned to keep it.
Used PM here in SW USA hold value better than right tilt Unisaw.

Think other estimates are little high towards restoring usability, unless you are someone who pays full retail for everything?
New bearings are not to be feared. If really needed, new arbor bearings cost <$25, new motor bearings about same, even from Grainger. Even if you have buy a bearing puller from HF for $30, can still change bearings yourself for less $80.
New belts $30
Add a new 36” Bies fence $225, Shop Fox clone <$200.
Add $25 bucks for sandpaper, cleaner, and some wax for top surface.
New zero clearance insert $35, unless you make your own from piece of plywood and some set screws.
Cost <$350 to return to a usable condition with everything above.

Cost more if you want monster 54” fence, or to make it look pretty.
Would have to add $75 to allow for missing miter fence, if you do not have one laying around.

Could buy that for $600, turn around and break even selling it any day of week on my local Craigslist. In excellent working condition with pretty paint and all accessories, used PM sell for $1000-1200 around here.

YMMV

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#6 posted 03-17-2018 03:23 AM

The seller is starting at $600, but taking offers. It is a 3hp 1 phase

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#7 posted 03-17-2018 04:08 AM

It certainly looks like it’s been ridden hard and put away wet. However, if there’s nothing major wrong with it and the motor is good, it’d be a good deal at $400. You’d have to put another $400+ into it to get it fully functional.

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#8 posted 03-17-2018 10:16 AM

It’s a bit rough, and an appropriate fence will run in the range of $350-$400. $600 isn’t bad, and it should clean up pretty well. It really depends on how much you want it, and how it checks out when you look at it. Being single phase is definite plus. It doesn’t have the blade guard or an insert, but I’d think $400-$500 would be a pretty nice buy.

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#9 posted 03-17-2018 03:34 PM

I got that same model of saw for $700, but it was in pretty good condition. I still replaced the belts, bearings, and did a complete teardown of all the parts to give it a thorough cleaning. The only thing missing from mine was the cover on the side of the machine that covers the motor. I live in New England so I felt I got it about $300 cheaper than the normal going rate. If you do go with this saw check out the VSC tools fence. Nice aluminum extrusion that is pretty well regarded by most people.

Depending on your location it may be worth that much, but where I live I wouldn’t pay more than $400 and use all of the things you’d have to add to make it a whole saw to leverage the price.

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Winny94

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#10 posted 03-17-2018 03:42 PM

So the seller seems open to dealing, but there is a definite noise coming from the motor (I asked them to send this video as I’m about 2 hours away).

Whats the diagnosis?
https://youtu.be/WxhvbjlIeFM

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#11 posted 03-17-2018 04:01 PM

Sounds like bad motor bearings which isn’t unusual considering its age. You could replace both for <$20, and it would take less than a half day to replace. Also two bearing on the arbor shaft I’d replace as well if already replacing the motor bearings. Probably also packed full of sawdust, not uncommon to find. Definitely use that as another reason to lower the price down. At two hrs away I wouldn’t waste my time driving there if he wasn’t willing to come down on price.

If you do decide to get the machine take a look at OWWM.org here is one of many examples of a TS resto thread
http://owwm.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=135922

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#12 posted 03-17-2018 05:22 PM



So the seller seems open to dealing, but there is a definite noise coming from the motor (I asked them to send this video as I m about 2 hours away).

Whats the diagnosis?
https://youtu.be/WxhvbjlIeFM

- Winny94

Could be belts, pulleys, maybe bearings too. Fixable, but make for good negotiating points.

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#13 posted 03-17-2018 05:45 PM

Could be belts, pulleys, maybe bearings too. Fixable, but make for good negotiating points.

- knotscott

Good call Scott, disconnecting the belts from the motor would definitely help isolate what the issue is.

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#14 posted 03-17-2018 08:34 PM

New bearings all around and new belts usually cure vibration issues. I’ve found new belts alone cure the vast majority.

Edit: didn’t watch video. Unless parts are cracked or the motor stinks it will be fixed most of the time by bearings, belts, and adjustments.

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#15 posted 03-17-2018 08:46 PM

That doesn’t sound like it’s coming from the motor – more like something external, like a loose blade washer/nut or something hitting some sheet metal. Regardless, figure on new belts and bearings at a minimum.

Cheers,
Brad

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