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Forum topic by Murf2499 posted 04-29-2011 02:21 AM 3197 views 0 times favorited 13 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Murf2499

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04-29-2011 02:21 AM

I pretty much made up my mind to take the plunge and buy a Festool Domino Jointer. My question is do I need there dust extractor or can I run it off my 12 Gallon Ridgid Shot Vac. They say the suction/volume on the Festool dust extractor is superior, but according to the Ridgid web site they are quite similar. I know the noise is lower whith the Festool. My heard says if your going to go with Festool then take the plunge into their system approach, my wallet is saying ouch!!

-- Murf, Clifton Park, NY www.murphycustomwoodworking.com


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Loren

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#1 posted 04-29-2011 03:49 AM

You can run Festool with any vacuum. You need the proper
hose or fitting.

Bosch makes a hose that’s about half the price of the same
type Festool hose. I have both the Bosch and a Festool hose and
I can tell you there’s no discernible difference.

The reason the Festool vacs are quieter is largely due to their two
stage design. I have a Kobalt wall vac and a Festool dust extractor
and the noise levels are pretty similar. The high-frequency whine you
get with the high-powered single-stage vacs is much reduced with
these the Festool and Kobalt 2-stage vacs. Fein and other “dust
extractor” vacs are probably similar.

Neither the Kobalt nor the Festool is up to super-macho tasks like
sucking up nails. That’s one task some of the single-stage shop vacs
seem to excel at.

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TheWoodNerd

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#2 posted 04-29-2011 11:34 AM

The really big advantage of the Festool is the variable suction, which helps with sanding. Too-high suction can make the sander grabby and start dancing around. If all you’re getting is the Domino, that won’t matter. In my experience, though, “You can’t buy just one” :)

I just did a review of Festool’s new CT26 a couple weeks ago, http://www.thewoodnerd.com/reviews/festoolCT26E.html

-- The Wood Nerd -- http://www.workshopaholic.net

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Murf2499

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#3 posted 04-29-2011 02:00 PM

Wood nerd,
Your review is fantastic!! The dealer I’m buying from also has a CT22 leftover he is will to sell me for $419, the CT26 would be $495 when purchased with the Domino. I guess when your spending this much $$ thats not a huge differance but was wondering your opinion.

Also, spent hours on the Festool web site last night and really want to experience sanding with Festool as well. I’m thinking of going with the new rotex 90 as I already have a 5” PC ROS. If you were buying your first Festool sander would it be the 90?

I also haave a PC router I keep in my router table and it is always a pain to take it out when I need to do free hand work, so I’ve been thinking about a small (light) plunge router for awhile. I’m really interested in their smaller 1040 ( I think) router, only down sive is no 1/2 collett but I still have the PC if I need that. Any thoughts on that?

I’m heading right back to your web site to look for additional reviews, maybe my answers are there.

Thanks so much!!

-- Murf, Clifton Park, NY www.murphycustomwoodworking.com

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Bertha

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#4 posted 04-29-2011 02:10 PM

Thanks WoodNerd, I hadn’t considered the variable suction feature (although a pricey one). I often use a tiny separator with my larger shop vac because the direct vacuum makes my ROS sticky. I won’t be buying a Festool separator for a while but that’s an interesting feature to consider. Plus, they’re cool looking :)

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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richgreer

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#5 posted 04-29-2011 03:01 PM

When I bought my first festool I thought I would connect it to my shop vac. I had to rig up a connection that did not work so good. Also, my shop vac is very loud.

Eventually, I bought the festool dust extractor. I’m glad I did. It is much quieter and it works great. I really like the fact that it comes on and off automatically when I start my tool. When you stop running the tool the the dust extractor continues running for a couple of seconds before shutting off to clear out the lines. That is the only time I hear the dust extractor because I cannot hear it over the sound of my sander or plunge saw.

Advice – You do not need the big ones. The mini or the midi will work just fine and they take up less space.

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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#6 posted 04-29-2011 04:15 PM

Rich, I have to disagree (a little). Unless space is a driving consideration, I think the larger CTs are the way to go. The larger capacities and self-cleaning bags will pay for the price difference in the long run.

Murf, absolutely go with the CT26. I really like the design better, the wheel lock is much nicer, includes the hose garage, etc. Plus the self-cleaning bags and larger capacity, it’s all well worth the extra $75. Although, if you’re going to use it a lot, the CT36 will more than make up the few extra dollars in bag savings over the 26.

As for the RO90, check out my review at http://www.thewoodnerd.com/reviews/festoolRO90DX.html. The RO90 is an awesome compact sander, plus the Rotex mode can remove an amazing amount of material quickly. The only downfall is working large areas, but since you already have a 5” you’re happy with, you’re good. Although, fair warning, you may not be as happy with it after experiencing the Festools.

I don’t own any Festool routers (yet) but many people really like the 1010 except, as you noted, the inability to use their collection of 1/2” shank bits. I’ll probably go with the 1400 just because I only want to maintain a single set of bits between my handheld and table routers.

-- The Wood Nerd -- http://www.workshopaholic.net

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#7 posted 04-29-2011 06:19 PM

On the variable suction feature. You can add this feature to any vacuum at near 0 cost the way it is done on some household vacuums. There is an elongated slot on the handle with a cover that slides open to various positions and allows extra air into the hose, thus reducing suction at the end. Simple and brilliant. Same can be made for your shop vac using some thought and couple PVC fittings.

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Bertha

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#8 posted 04-29-2011 06:20 PM

^and once again, LJ to the money rescue. I will look into this miniblast gate.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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jusfine

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#9 posted 04-29-2011 06:37 PM

I also like the “Auto” feature, start the tool, it starts the vacuum and shuts it off a few seconds after the tool is shut off. Maybe others have this, first I saw it was on a Festool vac.

If you want to go one step further, install the Oneida Dust Deputy cyclone system on your Festool (or other), and don’t pay for bags. That was the route I went after finding out how quick they filled up.
The one made for the Festool clips right in to the area where you would put your systainers, and there is nothing in the Festool bag as it all drops into a plastic (reusable if you choose) bag in the black box.

-- Randy "You are judged as much by the questions you ask as the answers you give..."

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Viktor

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#10 posted 04-29-2011 07:05 PM

Justfine, this is cool! People at Festool must be pulling their hair off for not coming up with this themselves and charging $700. A faithful festoolitarian would pay any $$$ just for the clip-on-your-systainer feature (or anything with the word “systainer” in it) :-) OK, OK, just teasing. I like Festoll, I swear I do, don’t throw rocks at me, please!

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jusfine

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#11 posted 04-29-2011 07:17 PM

Vik, that cracks me up… :) It does clip right on!

I am not quite at the worship stage with the company (and I find the systainers personally clutter up my shop), but I do certainly enjoy all of their products that I own.

I found this Oneida item on an online tool store in Canada, they had one left so I snagged it, and it does work well...

-- Randy "You are judged as much by the questions you ask as the answers you give..."

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Chipy

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#12 posted 04-29-2011 09:14 PM

I added one of these Cyclonic separators to my shop vac Man do they work. I almost never have to empty the drum This really works!!!!!!!

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mcase

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#13 posted 04-29-2011 10:22 PM

Murf,

Your spending $800.00 on the Domino. You do not need to spend $400.00 more for a vacuum. Just get a hose that fits as Loren recommends and enjoy your new tool.

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