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NewGuy27

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03-13-2018 12:16 PM

Picked up this Delta 22-560 planer at a sale and upon running some test boards through, we spun the belt off about 5 small boards in.

Of course the nut & pulley got loose and I didn’t notice. This caused the apparently often seen destroyed key & pulley? But upon getting the wobbly pulley off I noticed the key slot was all jammed up.

Key slot in shaft is no longer a precise fit. It’s way too large.

Guessing this was caused from years of not tightening the cutterhead pulley?

QUESTION… Is the shaft destroyed or can I put a new key in there with some jb weld?

I can get a new cutterhead pulley and key delivered for about $22, should I bother?

I didn’t remove the shaft to see if it was also bent but spinning it the end looks ok? No visible wobble on the shaft.

It’s hard to get precise pictures with my phone, my camera is at my house. But I’ll upload the best I can.

Thanks a bunch I’m a bit of a noob.

Shaft:

Pulley:


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#1 posted 03-13-2018 01:54 PM

This happened to me several months after I bot it new. Delta sent me a new cutterhead. Been working fine for years now. The key slot on the old one was damaged too. I still have it. It seems likely that a machine shop or anyone with a milling machine could put a new keyway on the shaft 180 degrees from the original.

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#2 posted 03-13-2018 02:10 PM

Keyways need to be clean and smooth, ideally you should have to lightly tap the key to get it in. No exceptions. Any damage to the keyway will only get worse with use.

Replace the pulley without a second thought, and check all of the other drivetrain shafts and wheels to make sure they didn’t get damaged also and replace any that’re even slightly boogered up or not a snug fit. A loose keyway can cause serious damage through an entire machine if it spins loose at the wrong time or in the wrong way.

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NewGuy27

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#3 posted 03-14-2018 08:40 AM



This happened to me several months after I bot it new. Delta sent me a new cutterhead. Been working fine for years now. The key slot on the old one was damaged too. I still have it. It seems likely that a machine shop or anyone with a milling machine could put a new keyway on the shaft 180 degrees from the original.

- Harryn

Thanks, I was thinking the same thing, but I wondered what that would do to the balance of the shaft. I suppose if I fill the old keyway it shouldn’t be a problem. I’m not sure how long this one was buggered or if I did all the damage in one shot.

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NewGuy27

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#4 posted 03-14-2018 08:48 AM



Keyways need to be clean and smooth, ideally you should have to lightly tap the key to get it in. No exceptions. Any damage to the keyway will only get worse with use.

Replace the pulley without a second thought, and check all of the other drivetrain shafts and wheels to make sure they didn t get damaged also and replace any that re even slightly boogered up or not a snug fit. A loose keyway can cause serious damage through an entire machine if it spins loose at the wrong time or in the wrong way.

- BoardButcherer

Thanks for all the details, I’m new to some of this stuff and I don’t have any money to fix this now but I’ll try and get it running again. Lost my job and looking now. Most of these parts are long out of production including the shaft. I saw one shaft online for $300. Maybe I’ll keep an eye out for a parts machine and try to get a price for a new keyway cut at a milling shop. Any idea what someone should charge me for that?

I’m tempted to try to get it running with jb weld until I can afford to get a keyway cut, but I risk destroying another pulley if it doesn’t work? What ya think?

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#5 posted 03-14-2018 01:13 PM

Thanks for all the details, I m new to some of this stuff and I don t have any money to fix this now but I ll try and get it running again. Lost my job and looking now. Most of these parts are long out of production including the shaft. I saw one shaft online for $300. Maybe I ll keep an eye out for a parts machine and try to get a price for a new keyway cut at a milling shop. Any idea what someone should charge me for that?

I m tempted to try to get it running with jb weld until I can afford to get a keyway cut, but I risk destroying another pulley if it doesn t work? What ya think?

- NewGuy27

Shafts and pulleys are skittle parts. Measure it and get the dimensions and you can order them from any big parts provider like McMaster Carr or Grainger.

I promise you Delta put as many off-the-shelf parts in that thing as they could to keep the price competitive.

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ohtimberwolf

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#6 posted 03-14-2018 04:24 PM

Nuguy27 Look here.

https://www.ereplacementparts.com/delta-22560-type-planer-parts-c-3275_3571_3579.html

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#7 posted 03-14-2018 05:50 PM



Nuguy27 Look here.

https://www.ereplacementparts.com/delta-22560-type-planer-parts-c-3275_3571_3579.html

- ohtimberwolf

Discontinued. Ereplacementparts.com has been useless for the last 5 years and overpriced to boot. It’s a shame, I used them a lot in the past.

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#8 posted 03-14-2018 07:32 PM

Ya might know….it happens a lot. larry

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#9 posted 03-14-2018 08:08 PM


Shafts and pulleys are skittle parts. Measure it and get the dimensions and you can order them from any big parts provider like McMaster Carr or Grainger.

I promise you Delta put as many off-the-shelf parts in that thing as they could to keep the price competitive.

- BoardButcherer

This is incorrect, both parts. If you can find something close to fitting the belt profile, you’re guaranteed to need some machining to make it correctly fit the shaft. Delta specs the parts and has them made, they do not use off the shelf parts, that’s just not how things are engineered today. The only exception might be large, industrial machines and even those that employ such design standards are moving away from that method.

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#10 posted 03-14-2018 08:40 PM


This is incorrect, both parts. If you can find something close to fitting the belt profile, you re guaranteed to need some machining to make it correctly fit the shaft. Delta specs the parts and has them made, they do not use off the shelf parts, that s just not how things are engineered today. The only exception might be large, industrial machines and even those that employ such design standards are moving away from that method.

- bigblockyeti

No but really, it is just that easy....

I’m not saying that you won’t pay as much for a couple shafts and nuts as you would for a new Delta planer, but it’s all plug-and-play ordering nowadays. I do this all the time for the machines at work.

Companies like Joyce don’t even touch the piece except to load the stock until they plastic wrap it and drop it in a box.

What used to be work you’d have to ask a machine shop to take care of by packaging up a part, mailing it off, waiting a week before you get a phone call to haggle over the price and then wait 2 more weeks for it to be shipped back to you is now just as easy to purchase as a pair of pants off of Amazon.

If that isn’t off-the-shelf, what is?

Times are changin’.

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#11 posted 03-14-2018 09:23 PM

Joyce is not even close to supplying a China export consumer manufacturer like Delta. I’ve ordered from them let’s say time or two and you’re paying for quality and options and you’re paying dearly on single part orders vs. 5-10K orders from China or Taiwan.

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#12 posted 03-15-2018 02:25 AM



Nuguy27 Look here.

https://www.ereplacementparts.com/delta-22560-type-planer-parts-c-3275_3571_3579.html

- ohtimberwolf

Yeah I was all over that site, for everyone’s info I can buy the cutter wheel pulley/gear for $20 that’s not a problem.

The cutter head shaft is discontinued and has been for a long while.

I’m not sure how everyone got so confused on that?

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NewGuy27

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#13 posted 03-15-2018 02:26 AM

The pulleys are readily available… Not the shaft.

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#14 posted 03-15-2018 02:29 AM


Thanks for all the details, I m new to some of this stuff and I don t have any money to fix this now but I ll try and get it running again. Lost my job and looking now. Most of these parts are long out of production including the shaft. I saw one shaft online for $300. Maybe I ll keep an eye out for a parts machine and try to get a price for a new keyway cut at a milling shop. Any idea what someone should charge me for that?

I m tempted to try to get it running with jb weld until I can afford to get a keyway cut, but I risk destroying another pulley if it doesn t work? What ya think?

- NewGuy27

Shafts and pulleys are skittle parts. Measure it and get the dimensions and you can order them from any big parts provider like McMaster Carr or Grainger.

I promise you Delta put as many off-the-shelf parts in that thing as they could to keep the price competitive.

- BoardButcherer

If that were true then 80% of the parts wouldn’t be discontinued.

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#15 posted 03-15-2018 02:48 AM

If that were true then 80% of the parts wouldn t be discontinued.
- NewGuy27

A huge chunk of those discontinued parts are standard off the shelf hardware store items… washers, bearings, screws, etc… I get quite a chuckle when I see that a 1/4” bolt for a particular machine has been ‘discontinued’ simply because they don’t have any that have been given the blessing of the OEM.

As for Delta… you can thank the last few owners, particularly Black and Decker for that. This thread gives a pretty good description of what is going on internally: Delta Parts Availabilty?

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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