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mikey78

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03-12-2018 04:18 PM

Hello guys,
My next restoration project is a nice stanley 62 …
I thought it was an easy one, just cleaning and sharpening : I was wrong :?!

https://s3.amazonaws.com/vs-lumberjocks.com/p5hjxjs.jpg!

The tote threded rod doesn’t “grab” in the threaded hole in the sole :cry:

At the moment my best option is brazing/filling up the hole and than re-tapping …

This takes me to the point : I need a tap set.
I’ve done some research and apparently I need a non standard tap :
7/32 20 tpi withworth (am I correct ?)

Anyone coul help in finding this tap set ? ... I would consider any option no hurry at all !!! :wink:


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#1 posted 03-12-2018 04:24 PM

While I was running this same thread in a UK forum
someone just destroyed what I achieved reading hardly on the web :
“Stanley threads are not withworth . . .”
So now I don’t know what to look for !!!

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#2 posted 03-12-2018 04:52 PM

Thinks it’s 12-20

Yep.

http://lumberjocks.com/WayneC/blog/38068

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#3 posted 03-12-2018 04:56 PM

I don’t think that’s a correct rod. 62s had a headed bolt, not the brass/steel combo used on the bench planes. And I believe Don W. has a references post for all things Threads… if not Don, then Wayne C here on LJs.

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#4 posted 03-12-2018 05:01 PM

I defer to smitty. Pretty sure he has one and I’ve never seen one in person.

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#5 posted 03-12-2018 05:33 PM

Fridge, I think he’s saying you’re right (Wayne’s post you link agrees with you), but that the rod Mikey has is not 12-20.

I do think that no matter what the thread on that plane is, it would be better to make a new rod than to braze up the hole and drill and tap.

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#6 posted 03-12-2018 05:46 PM

Sorry, didn’t see Fridge’s post, must have been crossing in cyberspace when i hit SUBMIT on mine. Anyway, yeah, nothing inconsistent between the two comments. Tim nailed it as well.

See comment #85 under this post for additional discussion of said tote bolt: http://lumberjocks.com/Smitty_Cabinetshop/blog/28810

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#7 posted 03-13-2018 01:08 PM

Here is the one from my #62. It’s the same thread as a Bailey bench plane which are 12-20

Typically just running a 1/4-20 tap and making a new bolt will work, but there are many ways to skin this cat.

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#8 posted 03-13-2018 02:54 PM

Thankyou very much Don for helping !!!

Uhmmmmmm …
Before I keep asking about taps and dies I see in your picture something I really need to understand :
I’ve never seen/noticed a stanley plane tote coming with that style bolt !!!
I’ve a 62 from the SW era, the blade has got the 2nd SW logo (1922-1935),
my plane (as you can see from the 1st picture) hasn’t got the headed bolt, but the more common brass/steel combo used on the bench planes ….
Is your 62 older than mine ? Is it more recent ? or is just that I’ve the wrong combo ?
This information is very important to me because I like restoring tools to their original conditions,
( I’m a bit collector a bit user ) and I could not sleep at night if I had a fake on my 62 …
Please guys let me know, I’m Italian and do not have chance to go to antique shops/markets to make research on the field, I fully rely on your knowledge !!!

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#9 posted 03-13-2018 03:58 PM

The #62 isn’t nearly as abundant as their bench planes, so I can’t say I’ve worked on a bunch of them, but both mine and Smitty’s have the similar bolt. It will take a bit more research to know for sure.

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#10 posted 03-13-2018 04:08 PM

If you insist on braze and re-tap fix:

A few years ago there was a tool galoot selling 12-20 tap & die to help with Stanley repairs on eBay.
Can not find them now. :(

But Dr Google tells me you can get custom pitch 12-20 tap from Victor?
Do not see a bottom plug tap offered by Victor, and that is what you need to fully clean up shallow threads in cast iron bases. So be sure to order an extra and grind the tip down slightly to make your own bottom tap. :)

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Don W

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#11 posted 03-13-2018 04:14 PM

I get mine from Victor. Buy 2 and grind the end to make a bottom tap.

Before I brazed it, I would just solder the bolt in place. But again, just another way to skin the cat, and of course that would only work with the nut end kind.

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#12 posted 03-14-2018 02:49 PM

Thanks to Don and CaptainKlutz for pointing out Victor as a source for a 12-20 tap,
I’ve sent a mail and shipping for a couple of taps it’s quite expensive , 42$ delivered to italy plus 21$ for 2 taps .
I’ll see if I can find some in Europe.
In the meantime I’ll send a mail to Patrick Leach and see what he knows about 62 and tote bolts.


Before I brazed it, I would just solder the bolt in place.
- Don W

Just because of the different lenguage could you explain it (“solder”) better ?
Thanks !!!

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#13 posted 03-14-2018 03:49 PM

Solder is to melt a low temperature metal and use it to connect to things together. Like you would do to connect two electricl wires, or connect copper pipes.

Unlike welding the metals aren’t melted together. The flowable metal just takes up the the open space and when it solidifies everything is locked in place.

Brian

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Don W

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#14 posted 03-14-2018 07:26 PM



Solder is to melt a low temperature metal and use it to connect to things together. Like you would do to connect two electricl wires, or connect copper pipes.

Unlike welding the metals aren t melted together. The flowable metal just takes up the the open space and when it solidifies everything is locked in place.

Brian

- bbasiaga

Which requires a lot less heat and less chance of warping your plane.

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#15 posted 03-22-2018 09:41 AM

I still did not get any reply from the mail sent to Patrick Leach … and am just wondering if the address I have is still good …

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