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wakinews

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03-01-2018 05:27 AM

Hi guys I am trying to build a sunburst mirror as shown below and I need your help to design a shape like that of a flame . i have tried shaping veneer strips into a flame shape but am stuck.please help


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#1 posted 03-01-2018 05:32 AM

Needing a closer look. Are the “rays” 3 dimensional?

-- I admit to being an adrenaline junky; fortunately, I'm very easily frightened

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#2 posted 03-01-2018 05:45 AM

Do you own or have access to a scroll saw? If so, you could use a template to cut out such a design.

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#3 posted 03-01-2018 06:10 AM

runs, it appears to be 3 d yes.
Ripper, i dont have a scroll saw just a jig saw

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#4 posted 03-01-2018 06:26 AM

A jig saw may well work with the right blade. Find a blade with 20 tpi and ground inline teeth.

-- "You know, I'm such a great driver, it's incomprehensible that they took my license away." --Vince Ricardo

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#5 posted 03-01-2018 06:38 AM

thanks alot, will give it a shot

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#6 posted 03-01-2018 02:18 PM

I would ask what is your skill level and what tools do you have on hand ?

there are a few ways to do this one….... CNC and let the machine do all the work
or – the chainsaw carving blade on a 4” angle grinder
or – the old fashioned way: hand carving with hand tools. (coping saw, files, rasps and rifflers).
or – change gears into a design that is just different sized rays glued into a circle
to fit your mirror then there is no carving at all. just cutting sticks and gluing them together.
many examples on Pinterest if you are flexible in your design: https://www.google.com/search?q=sunburst+mirror+images&rlz=1C1BLWB_enUS651US651&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi01ZTcpMvZAhWPulMKHazXCWYQ7AkIjgI&biw=1226&bih=618

I would glue up some 1/2” stock the size required – cut out the rays with the band saw or jig saw.
hand carve and smooth out as needed to achieve the desired results.
make two or three copies of the example on the right of the photo and stack them after carving to
get the 3-D effect. you can find a nice ornate round picture or mirror frame at any store.

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-- some people are like a Slinky - - - pretty much good for nothing. But still make you smile when you push them down a flight of stairs.

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#7 posted 03-01-2018 05:39 PM


I would ask what is your skill level and what tools do you have on hand ?

there are a few ways to do this one….... CNC and let the machine do all the work
or – the chainsaw carving blade on a 4” angle grinder
or – the old fashioned way: hand carving with hand tools. (coping saw, files, rasps and rifflers).
or – change gears into a design that is just different sized rays glued into a circle
to fit your mirror then there is no carving at all. just cutting sticks and gluing them together.
many examples on Pinterest if you are flexible in your design:

I would glue up some 1/2” stock the size required – cut out the rays with the band saw or jig saw.
hand carve and smooth out as needed to achieve the desired results.
make two or three copies of the example on the right of the photo and stack them after carving to
get the 3-D effect. you can find a nice ornate round picture or mirror frame at any store.

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- John Smith

You’re forgetting the fourth option:

Spend the next 5 years of your life designing one of the most complex set of router jigs man has ever seen for the sake of experiencing the most sublime sense of elation you have ever conjured by means of your craft, creating the perfect mirror frame for your purpose.

....

And a week later throw yourself off of a cliff because you made it all out of MDF and a roof leak destroyed everything.

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John Smith

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#8 posted 03-01-2018 05:43 PM

Edit: I was forming this post while you were posting yours.
LOL – you don’t need a lot of jigs – just a jig saw and couple of sharp carving tools.
a router is not required – only some slow and steady carving with hand tools only for shaping.
several coats of primer, lots of sanding, a few top coats then a layer of 23k gold leaf.
piece of cake !! the center mirror is whatever you find that suits your fancy.
it is applied as an “applique” after all the carving is done.

if you (and your significant other) are really wanting this particular design,
here are some enlarged photos for you to get an idea of what will be involved.

this photo is from an art deco company in Germany for $1200.00 plus $300.00 shipping.
would be a fun project to make for sure !!

Edit again: I spent this morning building new handles for my wheel barrow.
if I can do that, surely I can carve a sunburst to your liking !!!

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-- some people are like a Slinky - - - pretty much good for nothing. But still make you smile when you push them down a flight of stairs.

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runswithscissors

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#9 posted 03-01-2018 06:02 PM

I would cut those with either a scroll saw or a bandsaw with the table tilted. Make 2 passes, one in each direction.

-- I admit to being an adrenaline junky; fortunately, I'm very easily frightened

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wakinews

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#10 posted 03-01-2018 06:06 PM

Wow guys you are amazing, u have saved my day. i have a jigsaw but will just need to buy a few carving tools to get it done. indeed there will be alot of sanding, i cant wait to start the project tomorrow. i will show you how it will come up. i just have to find the right wood for this.
thanks alot john, Boardbutcherer and the rest of yall

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#11 posted 03-01-2018 06:08 PM

Runs – after the tilted table technique, how would you profile the other elements to match ?
you can only cut so far with the saw. as you can see, the cuts do not go all the way to the mirror.

-- some people are like a Slinky - - - pretty much good for nothing. But still make you smile when you push them down a flight of stairs.

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John Smith

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#12 posted 03-01-2018 06:12 PM

Wakinews – when you come up with the final size you need, I will make a sample cut
and carved portion of the rays to scale and send it to you to help you along. looks like fun !!
[for inside use, I use bass wood or poplar – for exterior use I use honduras mahogany]

after all the carving is said and done, it would be a sin to spray paint it gold with a rattle can !!!
23k gold leaf is not all that expensive or hard to do.

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-- some people are like a Slinky - - - pretty much good for nothing. But still make you smile when you push them down a flight of stairs.

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LesB

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#13 posted 03-01-2018 06:21 PM

The flames in the picture above are arranged in clusters of 4 flames and repeated. Without a CNC machine it would obviously need hand carving, or “sculpturing” with a carvers power grinding tool, or with a Dremel tool and carving bit. Repeated 16 times. Final sanding with a flapper sander. I would use a soft wood like Poplar or Alder.

-- Les B, Oregon

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John Smith

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#14 posted 03-01-2018 07:08 PM

Les – you are correct about the cluster of 4 flames being repeated.
the true art of making a personalized item such as this is that you do not
have to follow a pattern – or copy someone else’s design verbatim.
make your own design and make it fun – there is no rule that you have to “stay within the lines”
when carving free-hand like this. there are no mistakes – only happy discoveries.
if I were doing it for myself or a client, there would not be a noticeable pattern in the rays.
looks like a fun project for the whole family.

-- some people are like a Slinky - - - pretty much good for nothing. But still make you smile when you push them down a flight of stairs.

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John Smith

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#15 posted 03-04-2018 05:32 PM

just an update of sorts.
I have been in contact with the O/P, “Wakinews” via email about this project and
we have just about got all the basics covered. I might build one for myself as it looks
like a challenging project. looking for a round 12” suitable frame now for the mirror. (or clock).

anyway – this gentleman is not here in the U.S., he is in East Africa and runs his own beekeeping business.
he builds and sells the Langstroth type beehives for his home based business. as a fellow ametuer
beekeeper myself, I applaud his efforts in trying to make a difference in our ecosystem to increase
the honeybee population.
he has a FaceBook page – so why not drop by and give him some “likes” when you get time.
https://www.facebook.com/search/str/wakibees/photos-keyword

he will post photos of his Sun Burst Mirror project once he gets started.

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-- some people are like a Slinky - - - pretty much good for nothing. But still make you smile when you push them down a flight of stairs.

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