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Forum topic by Alphonse posted 02-28-2018 03:31 AM 2007 views 0 times favorited 12 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Alphonse

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02-28-2018 03:31 AM

I just acquired a very nice 8” Powermatic parallelgram jointer.

I am thinking of swapping to a Byrd Shelix head. BTW, I cannot justify it from a cost standpoint but I like to work with figured wood and think it would be advantageous. In addition this machine will likely stay in my family a long time. It will get passed on at some point to my youngest son.

Any feedback and/or insights would be appreciated.

-- Alphonse


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pintodeluxe

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#1 posted 02-28-2018 05:13 AM

I have a very similar Delta jointer with straight knives. My planer has a helical head.

The last tool to touch most surfaces, besides a sander, is my planer. The Shelix handles figured oak wonderfully, and tearout is a thing of the past. Now, what advantage would I see if I upgraded my jointer cutterhead?

- Eliminate edge grain tearout that I sometimes forget to remove at the tablesaw.
- Easier knife changes
- Longer blade life

The main reason I would upgrade is to never have to align another set of straight knives. That is tedious! A helical head on the planer is definitely the priority, but one on the jointer would be a nice luxury.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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TheFridge

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#2 posted 02-28-2018 05:21 AM

Just from a standpoint of saving a bunch of time changing knives and sharpening it’s awesome. Especially on a jointer. Any outfeed adjustments will be most minor as well. It works like a champ.

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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playingwithmywood

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#3 posted 02-28-2018 05:24 AM

I put a shelix head in my grizzly 8” the only downside was I think changed my dewalt planer also to a shelix head since the finish was so good on the jointer and I wanted it to match on the other side of the board

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Aj2

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#4 posted 02-28-2018 05:52 AM

If your dead set on having a jointer with a Bryd head buy a machine with the head installed. If a Bryd head is not aligned correctly with the tables sleeplessness and nashing of the teeth will soon follow.:(

-- Aj

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jonah

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#5 posted 02-28-2018 02:15 PM

If the jointer has parallelogram tables, you can easily adjust the tables into alignment with the head.

On a dovetail ways jointer, on the other hand, it’s a lot more finicky. I wouldn’t upgrade my jointer with a helical head for exactly that reason.

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#6 posted 02-28-2018 02:51 PM

I disagree with Johah is not easy to Aline the tables to a Bryd head. There is no surface on the head to reference.
So the inset edged has to be used. You will also need a precision machinest straight edge to do the job right.
Humps or dips in the tables will complicate the task and need to be found with the straight edge.
Ideally you should have a straight edge as long as one Table or longer.
A jointer is a simple machine but need to be setup preciously to make excellent joints.
I rest my case and turn it over the the defense.:)

-- Aj

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#7 posted 02-28-2018 02:58 PM

If it’s a lifetime jointer, then do it. Heck, spend the money to have it done, but you will be happier every time you use it. Again, if this is a lifetime jointer.

-- When you earnestly believe you can compensate for a lack of skill by doubling your efforts, there is no end to what you CAN'T do

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Alphonse

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#8 posted 02-28-2018 03:13 PM

Yes, it is a lifetime machine and I have sold another jointer that will fund the Byrd if I choose to go that route.

Yes, the setup will be a PITA but once it is done it should last a long while. I have indicators and straight edges ready to go.

I have read somewhere else that the Byrd can cause a scalloping in the surface – any feedback on that?

-- Alphonse

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pintodeluxe

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#9 posted 02-28-2018 03:44 PM

My straight knives cause pretty deep scallops because it’s impossible to get the three blades aligned within .003 or better. The Byrd is much better. All the cutters index from the head, so there’s nothing to adjust once you reset the outfeed height.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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AZWoody

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#10 posted 02-28-2018 03:57 PM



I disagree with Johah is not easy to Aline the tables to a Bryd head. There is no surface on the head to reference.
So the inset edged has to be used. You will also need a precision machinest straight edge to do the job right.
Humps or dips in the tables will complicate the task and need to be found with the straight edge.
Ideally you should have a straight edge as long as one Table or longer.
A jointer is a simple machine but need to be setup preciously to make excellent joints.
I rest my case and turn it over the the defense.:)

- Aj2

So I guess I was just lucky when I aligned the cutterhead on my 100 year old Buss jointer to the custom spiral head I had built for it?

It was easy. Just use the dial guaue and align it with the main cylinder of the cutterhead, not the inserts. Once that’s done, you raise the outfeed table and then use the dial gauge again to align it with top dead center of the inserts.

That’s easy as well. You just place the tip where you think it should be and then rotate the head back and forth and you will find the point where the dial peaks at 0 and goes down when you rotate left and goes down when it rotates right.

This only takes a bout 15 minutes total. Maybe more if things are way off.

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AZWoody

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#11 posted 02-28-2018 03:59 PM



I have a very similar Delta jointer with straight knives. My planer has a helical head.

The last tool to touch most surfaces, besides a sander, is my planer. The Shelix handles figured oak wonderfully, and tearout is a thing of the past. Now, what advantage would I see if I upgraded my jointer cutterhead?

- Eliminate edge grain tearout that I sometimes forget to remove at the tablesaw.
- Easier knife changes
- Longer blade life

The main reason I would upgrade is to never have to align another set of straight knives. That is tedious! A helical head on the planer is definitely the priority, but one on the jointer would be a nice luxury.

- pintodeluxe

If you joint the face, you will also not have tearout that will cost you lumber and time as you have to make extra passes with the planer to get rid of as well.

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playingwithmywood

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#12 posted 03-01-2018 05:34 AM


If your dead set on having a jointer with a Bryd head buy a machine with the head installed. If a Bryd head is not aligned correctly with the tables sleeplessness and nashing of the teeth will soon follow.:(

- Aj2

dumbest information I have ever read….. changing the head should not change the alignment for the machine other than having the change your out-feed height and yes I put a byrd head in my 8’ dovetail way jointer I also put one in my 735 planner

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