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Forum topic by PittsburghTim posted 02-23-2018 01:30 AM 481 views 0 times favorited 11 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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PittsburghTim

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02-23-2018 01:30 AM

Topic tags/keywords: review planes question

I checked the latest 40 reviews and 36 of them are five stars, the other four a four stars. I start to question the value of them. I’m not being mean and I am not calling anyone out, as the only two items that I reviewed here are items that I gave five stars. Maybe it’s like doctors. Most people say they are seeing the best doctors.

I also see different camps concerning tools. Some are considered tool snobs because they only buy Festool or Lie Nielsen, while others tell how their Harbor Freight plane is just a good as any other. I have been using Record planes for some time now. I was able to pick them up cheap and in almost new condition. Tuned and sharp, they work well. I will say that the adjustments were not as precise as the few high-end planes that I now own. I sold my Record planes and picked up a few more Lie Nielsen ones recently. I am happy. I am certain the young man who bought my old planes is happy with them as they were all razor sharp, had flat soles, and in top form.

I’m not sure if there is a point to my ramblings. I just don’t find myself coming to the site as much as I used to. Maybe it’s me. I am interested to hear from others.

-- She asked me, "Who are you going to please with that?" I said, "Me."


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caboxmaker

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#1 posted 02-23-2018 04:23 AM

Tim, I also was checking the reviews last week and found the same 5 star results. It’s almost like everyone gets a trophy no matter how good or bad they are. I also think that once money has been paid and the product is on the bench it might be a little embarrassing to admit that it’s not as great as you thought. I’m not sure what’s going on but it makes me hesitant to believe what I read.

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LesB

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#2 posted 02-23-2018 08:11 PM

Have you ever had to fill out another person’s work performance report. I have done hundreds and at times it can be very difficult and awkward to handle. Our current society has pressured everyone into being PC, politically correct, which doesn’t help us when it comes to making a critical and objective evaluation.
Hopefully the evaluators will give clues in the text about the strong points and shortcomings when they can’t bring themselves to downgrade the grade or “star value”.
I’m working on posting one about a new Pantorouter I just received. I probably need another week of working with it to do it justice. So far it will get a 4 star with comments. If you haven’t heard of it go to hybridpantorouter.com to see it.

-- Les B, Oregon

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OSU55

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#3 posted 02-23-2018 08:25 PM

Agreed the reviews tend to not be very objective. Look up confirmatory bias – basically you bought it so it must be good. Also many times value is not considered – those LN planes are better, but are they a better value at 10x the cost of the Records? Is a $1400 var speed drill press a good value? People do have different value systems as well. Many like the look of LN vs Veritas and that is their basis for choice. Value of a tool is very different for a pro vs hobbyist, and in reviews and other replies folks arent always clear on why they think something is better.

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Craftsman on the lake

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#4 posted 02-23-2018 09:17 PM

Probably people review the tools that they think the rest of us will find a useful item that works as advertised. We probably don’t bother to review disappointments.

I think that people research before they buy. They look here, they look elsewhere online, then they sit on it and think about it for awhile. Then they pull the trigger and get the item. After all that time to get the thing you wanted for the job, it’s probably going to be the right item. Yes, maybe it might not be a 5 all the time but after all that effort it’s probably at least a 4.

I just went back and looked at my old reviews. a couple of 4 stars, one three star, and about a dozen with five. Sometimes a 4 star was a harbor freight tool that just exceeded what I expected. Sometimes it was a tool not useful to many but fulfilled the purpose for a need I had. Sometimes it was a tool that I thought a lot about and it just hit and it was a 5. I think too that I’ve gotten tools that just were not good and I don’t use it and don’t review it. I guess when I find a good one, that’s the one I want to spread the good news about.

-- The smell of wood, coffee in the cup, the wife let's me do my thing, the lake is peaceful.

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Woodknack

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#5 posted 02-23-2018 09:49 PM

I don’t care if the ratings are good or bad. But what I’ve found is that many reviews are typed about 5 minutes after opening the box. Some even post multiple reviews of the same tools because after using it for a month or two they find out it wasn’t 5 star afterall. And there is at least one person who “reviews” her own products and unsurprisingly gives them all 5 stars. But there are also bad reviews where the person didn’t bother reading the directions, or had a problem with the store where they bought the tool, and one guy wrote a 1 star review because he misread a magazine advertisement. And, I believe, there are a few paid shills too. So yeah, take them with a grain of salt.

-- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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Redoak49

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#6 posted 02-23-2018 10:40 PM

I got a survey review thing from a car company after buying a new car. I honestly answered and gave above average rating. The salesman called me and said that anything less than a 9 or 10 out of 10 is considered bad and hurts his bonus. He wanted me to redo the survey. I hate buying cars to start with because it seems such a game that you never win.

You see quite a few reviews where people just come on one-time to complain or that they did not get a freebie they were not entitled to. Or you see a review that is just the unboxing. I want a review with good information after the tool being used for awhile.

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Rick S.

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#7 posted 02-25-2018 02:02 AM

” I want a review with good information after the tool being used for awhile. Exactly! I think that should be a Rule to stop the Complainers who used it once and didn’t like it.”

”I’m not sure if there is a point to my ramblings. I just don’t find myself coming to the site as much as I used to. ”

Your not the only one! For a number of reasons. Like Disappearing Posts that you have on “Watch”.

How did they get Deleted and by Who & Why. Ask the powers to be and (Deleted). Or you get “This Post Is Closed.” Due to Disrespect For Others”

Maybe I said a “Bad Word” or something? So they shut the Post Down.

It’s always the same 10/20 Guys answering the Posts. “We Are 244 Members Making 3,504,577 Comments.” UH HUH!

There are presently 23 Members On Line at a Prime Time. NO! I don’t want to Re-Hash that Dead Horse Again!

That’s all. Rant Over!
Rick

-- (Rick S.)... "Don't Worry About What People Think! They Don't Do It Very Often Anyway!"

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jbay

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#8 posted 02-25-2018 02:48 AM

Your not the only one! For a number of reasons. Like Disappearing Posts that you have on “Watch”.

Rick, ( if I have it correct? )
The watchlist only keeps subjects on your active list for whatever you have it set at. If a post on your list hasn’t been commented on for 30 days it doesn’t show up.
Possibly, that’s where yours went?

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Rick S.

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#9 posted 02-25-2018 02:56 AM

Your not the only one! For a number of reasons. Like Disappearing Posts that you have on “Watch”.

Rick, ( if I have it correct? )
The watchlist only keeps subjects on your active list for whatever you have it set at. If a post on your list hasn t been commented on for 30 days it doesn t show up.
Possibly, that s where yours went?

- jbay

Thank You jbay. You are Correct. But NO! The Posts have been removed even from my “Activity List” It was less than 24 Hours when I tried to find them. My “Watch List” is set for 7 Days.

Rick

-- (Rick S.)... "Don't Worry About What People Think! They Don't Do It Very Often Anyway!"

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Jeff

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#10 posted 02-25-2018 03:03 AM

In our litigious society it can be dangerous to post a negative review.

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Rick S.

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#11 posted 02-25-2018 03:08 AM



In our litigious society it can be dangerous to post a negative review.

- Jeff in Huntersville

I never thought of that Jeff! It could very well happen if the Manufacturer took Exception to your Review. GOOD POINT!

-- (Rick S.)... "Don't Worry About What People Think! They Don't Do It Very Often Anyway!"

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