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02-20-2018 04:56 PM

Topic tags/keywords: powermatic 66 table saw

Looking for some guidance here, there is a used Powermatic 66 table saw on Atlanta craigslist. It says it is in good working order but needs fence repair. I would probably put an aftermarket fence on this anyways so that doesn’t bother me. Curious if $600 is a decent price for this unit?


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#1 posted 02-20-2018 05:08 PM

Good price but with that feeder mount it may
have been run hard.

Comparable new fences aren’t exactly cheap.
Parts may be available. Looks like a missing
cam lock lever to me.

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#2 posted 02-20-2018 05:15 PM

The PM66 is generally one of the best 10” saws made and probably cost north of $3000 new. That said, condition is everything, and they aren’t rare. This one looks well used. Notice the foot print of the stock feeder on the table? That’s not really a bad thing, but it probably was in a production environment. The fence should be repairable, but you need to figure $3-400 for a new one otherwise. Is it 3 phase? and if so, do you have a converter? Also I notice he wants $895, has he come down to $600? Anyway, it’s not a bad deal, especially if you don’t mind doing some work to bring it up to snuff, but it’s not a screaming bargain.

-- Bob "jack of all trades, master of none"

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#3 posted 02-20-2018 05:19 PM

He did come down to $600. I just found out it is 3 phase and I do not have a converter so that would be an additional cost. The motor compatibility combined with the fence issue is enough for me to pass on this one.

There is a model 72 nearby that would also need some cleaning up and a motor swap out, however if this guys will help offset the cost of the new 5hp single phase motor I may go for that. I looked at it this morning and that is a beast of a saw!

Thanks for the help!

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#4 posted 02-20-2018 05:35 PM

Cheaper and easier to buy a VFD than swap out the motor. Plus it will give you all sorts of extra benefits not possible any other way.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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#5 posted 02-20-2018 05:42 PM



Cheaper and easier to buy a VFD than swap out the motor. Plus it will give you all sorts of extra benefits not possible any other way.

Cheers,
Brad

- MrUnix

Brad, even with a VFD I would still need a rotary converter or something like that wouldn’t I? Or do they make a VFD that also does phase conversion?

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#6 posted 02-20-2018 05:54 PM

If industrial machinery turns you on you’ll be
dealing with 3-phase stuff anyway much of
the time.

I built a 10hp rotary phase converter for about
$350. I already had a panel in the shop that
didn’t need upgrading to handle it though.
Having a converter is just-plug-it-in solution
for many other 230v 3-phase machines you
might acquire.

VFDs are typically set up for phase conversion
one for each machine.

I find heavier machinery interesting and fun to
buy, sell and use. It’s a dimension to woodworking
that’s not right for everyone though.

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#7 posted 02-20-2018 05:58 PM

Brad, even with a VFD I would still need a rotary converter or something like that wouldn t I? Or do they make a VFD that also does phase conversion?
- caryd

A VFD is stand alone – you do not need a rotary phase converter. It will take your single phase input and give you three phase output. Plus you get stuff like soft start, controlled braking, overload and over/under voltage protection, ability to over-torque the motor, variable speeds (useful for stuff like when cutting plastics and light sheet metals), simplistic wiring with ability to add stuff like an emergency off switch, constant torque/speed if you get a sensorless vector drive type, etc… Will set you back about $200, and you can sell the existing starter on the machine to recover most, if not all, of the money you spend for a VFD since the starter would no longer be needed.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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#8 posted 02-20-2018 06:14 PM

Well this has been super enlightening! I sell large vacuum pumps and air compressors for a living so I deal with VFDs all the time, however all of these systems are larger and always have 3 phase input power so the VFD is typically only used for controlling motor hertz. I had no idea you could input single phase voltage and get 3 phase out, that is fantastic!

I do love industrial machinery. You just can’t be the quality you get with those big machines

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#9 posted 02-20-2018 06:31 PM

I do love industrial machinery. You just can t be the quality you get with those big machines
- caryd

Not only that, but a three phase motor is more robust and efficient than it’s single phase counterpart. There really is nothing that will go bad on them other than bearings – no start circuit, capacitors, centrifugal switches, etc… Throw in the ability to easily reverse direction and all the benefits you can get with a VFD, they are hard to beat.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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#10 posted 02-20-2018 08:52 PM

Sounds like you might be a new “Old Arn” convert in the making. Perhaps your work contacts will get you a good deal on the VFD. For the regular consumer they can get pricey as the motor HP goes up and they aren’t as easy to use on multiple machines, but they do provide the features mentioned above that my rotary phase converter can’t. BTW the PM 72 is a beast of a machine! All the machines of that caliber were designed to be used very hard and can be repaired pretty much forever, nothing remotely like the little consumer grade machines that just have so much life and then they are done. Good luck in your quest. Have you joined up over at OWWM.ORG yet? Temptation there abounds…..

-- Bob "jack of all trades, master of none"

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#11 posted 02-20-2018 10:23 PM

I had not heard of OWWM.org before but I just signed up!

Also got the Powermatic 72 for $800, picking it up tomorrow, can’t wait to get it in the shop and start cleaning it up and put it to work!

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#12 posted 02-21-2018 03:38 AM



I had not heard of OWWM.org before but I just signed up!
- caryd

Heresy I tell you

Also got the Powermatic 72 for $800, picking it up tomorrow, can’t wait to get it in the shop and start cleaning it up and put it to work!

- caryd

If you weren’t so nice I would be filled with hate and jealousy.

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#13 posted 02-21-2018 10:14 PM

I picked up the 72 today, pictures attached below. It has a 14” blade in it now which I plan on swapping out for a 12” Forrest. It looks like the dust chute is pretty chewed up, any recommendations on a good way to fix that or a replacement?

I’m also going to get a new fence and the VFD controller as suggested by MrUnix. Just a bit of elbow grease and a lot of naval jelly and it should be much better!

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#14 posted 02-21-2018 10:45 PM

Congrats on the saw. Check into the VerySuperCool Tools fence. I love mine. Might also want to look at new bearings and whatnot, while you’re taking it apart to clean everything.

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