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Jrypka

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02-15-2018 04:41 PM

I’m a newbie here to woodworking, so bear with me. Right now I own a Craftsman 113.xxxxx, but with the direct drive motor. It is terrible and will be gone soon. Thankfully I’ve only got $40 into it. So, here is my question. I had been planning on spending somewhere between $200-$400 on a decent used table saw. Then I started looking at new saws, and I think for my planned usage, I’d probably be looking at the Rigid, Masterforce, or Delta in that $550-$600 range.

Originally, I had been leaning heavily towards used because I figured I could get a better used saw for $200-$400, than I could new for $600. Is that true?

But then I started thinking about the safety features of new saws vs old ones, and thought maybe I’d be better off spending a bit more and get something that is safer to operate. I understand the biggest safety equipment is what’s between my ears, and even the most safe saw is dangerous if not used properly. So, what are the biggest safety differences between a good old used saw and a new one? Should I look at upfitting an old used one with new safety gear, or spend the $600 for the Delta at Lowe’s?

Thanks,
Jeff

-- Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. -Einstein


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#1 posted 02-15-2018 05:00 PM

I wouldn’t get the delta at lowes. I had it. I hated it. It was underpowered and had some major arbor wobble. The screws like to randomly disappear on numerous places and the dust collection chute was terrible. I had it for 3 years.

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#2 posted 02-15-2018 05:00 PM

The difference is a riving knife. In my opinion a really important thing.

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#3 posted 02-15-2018 05:09 PM

In addition to the safety features, I’d be VERY sure of after-the-sale customer support from the supplier, Delta has become notoriously poor in this respect. Take a close look at a Grizzly product.
As always, buyer beware.
Bill

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#4 posted 02-15-2018 05:10 PM

So I did a little searching on Craig’s list and I found everything from a used newer portable delta jobsite saw (I think that’s the one you are talking about) to a used grizzly hybrid saw all within you price point. Now I’m not sure how much space you have but depending on that you have endless possibilities. So you could buy one of the newer saws that you are looking at used. The delta I saw was only $200. Really it comes down to what you are looking for. If I were you I would look around on Craigslist to see what is for sale in your area. Who knows maybe you will find something that your looking for. And in my experience woodworkers are pretty friendly and would be happy to demonstrate what if any safety features the saw had to offer. Good luck

Luke

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#5 posted 02-15-2018 05:10 PM



The difference is a riving knife. In my opinion a really important thing.
- Redoak49

and I personally can tell you just how important the riving knife / splitter is !!!
some TS sleds will make small work much safer.

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Jrypka

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#6 posted 02-15-2018 05:54 PM



In addition to the safety features, I d be VERY sure of after-the-sale customer support from the supplier, Delta has become notoriously poor in this respect. Take a close look at a Grizzly product.
As always, buyer beware.
Bill

- Bill White

Do you have a suggestion for a Grizzly? I can’t justify the price of a new one. There is one out there now 2 hrs away https://brainerd.craigslist.org/tls/d/grizzly-10-inch-table-saw/6493916263.html , but no model specified. I’ve heard the fence on the 1022 isn’t great. Do you have a suggestion on which used models I should look at, and can a splitter and guard be added?

-- Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. -Einstein

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#7 posted 02-15-2018 06:02 PM

You can use a throat plate mounted wood
splitter mounted right behind the blade. The
major drawback is you have to take it off to
tilt the blade. Some people tilt a table saw blade
a lot I suppose but most of what I do involves
the blade at 90 degrees.

Micro-Jig sells a plastic version. I was making
my own wood one’s before it came out so
I never saw reason to buy it.

I would make throat plates out of 1/4” hardboard
or whatever, elongate the back of the blade slot
a little, cut a stick for a friction fit in the slot,
sand the sides so it was thinner than the blade
kerf and then glue it in. Worked great.

Some Delta Unisaws can be fitted with a “disappearing
splitter” which is available.

Some folks have figured out how to make aftermarket
riving knives. They are pretty complicated to
manufacture though and the guy who was making
the most available one passed away.

Finally, nobody wants to hear it, but the band saw
is the safer tool for ripping solid wood.

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Jrypka

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#8 posted 02-15-2018 06:03 PM



So I did a little searching on Craig’s list and I found everything from a used newer portable delta jobsite saw (I think that’s the one you are talking about) to a used grizzly hybrid saw all within you price point. Now I’m not sure how much space you have but depending on that you have endless possibilities. So you could buy one of the newer saws that you are looking at used. The delta I saw was only $200. Really it comes down to what you are looking for. If I were you I would look around on Craigslist to see what is for sale in your area. Who knows maybe you will find something that your looking for. And in my experience woodworkers are pretty friendly and would be happy to demonstrate what if any safety features the saw had to offer. Good luck

Luke

- Trout121180

Luke,

Appreciate you taking a look on Craigslist. I do have plenty of space in my shop (for now!) However, I found there is very little listed in the Duluth, MN area. A $50 Protech(?), a Craftsman 100 series, and a really old Homecraft TS/Jointer combo. Expanding the search to Minneapolis (2.5 hrs) there is an old Grizzly (no model specified) but they want $450, a Ryobi BT3000, and a pile of Craftsmans from $100-$150. There is a Delta 34-444, but they want $375 for that (seems high). And then there is this old Delta 3hrs away for $500. https://eauclaire.craigslist.org/tls/d/table-saw/6487582285.html

I’m not in a huge hurry, but I’ve been looking a few weeks and what I have seen come across Craigslist seems to be listed a quite a bit higher than what I’ve seen folks suggest on this site might be a fair price. Perhaps that is just the market here. But $150-$200 for old craftsmans, $800 for a G0715P that was $1100 new seems steep. I’m also not in the most heavily populated area, so although saws are listed, there aren’t as many out there as around a major metro area.

Say I’m looking at spending $400 for a used one, what am I likely to find that is decent?

-- Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. -Einstein

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#9 posted 02-15-2018 06:12 PM

The only difference in ‘safety’ features between old and new is the design of the splitter. Both do the exact same job, but one is more convenient and more likely to be kept in place. I would not let it be the deciding factor in purchasing a saw.

That $500 Unisaw would be the last saw you ever bought, and has the overarm guard which is nice. Also, the disappearing splitter is usually fitted on those with an overarm guard, so you probably won’t need anything else. Those splitters were part of the overarm Uniguard, so there is a good chance it’s there.

Cheers,
Brad

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Jrypka

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#10 posted 02-15-2018 07:06 PM

Dumb question…are all old Delta table saws “unisaws”? Any guess as to the age of that one? I emailed the guy, we’ll see what he says.

That is the jet-lock style fence, right? As a beginner only making a couple pieces a year, I assume that will be good enough for me without upgrading?

-- Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. -Einstein

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#11 posted 02-15-2018 07:15 PM

Dumb question…are all old Delta table saws “unisaws”? Any guess as to the age of that one? I emailed the guy, we ll see what he says.

That is the jet-lock style fence, right? As a beginner only making a couple pieces a year, I assume that will be good enough for me without upgrading?

- Jrypka

No, Delta made several different saws, but the one in the picture is a Unisaw – and Unisaws were basically unchanged from their inception in the late 30’s until they re-designed them around 2007 or so, and are the standard by which all other saws are judged against. A lot of people dislike the Jet-lock fences, but they are very functional. They are a T-square design and properly adjusted and maintained, are not bad at all. I have one on my Unisaw, even though I also have a commercial Biesemeyer fence sitting in the corner that I could put on it. I have never had an issue with it and the only real disadvantage of them is that you can’t just lift it up and off the saw, but have to slide it off the end of the rails.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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#12 posted 02-15-2018 07:42 PM

+1 on Brad’s advice.

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#13 posted 02-15-2018 07:58 PM

oops, I hit ‘post’ twice….ignore this one…

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