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LearningAsIGo

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02-10-2018 02:56 PM

I’m guessing the answer is no but I’m going to ask anyway just in case. Can you use dye powder dissolved in water over an oil based gel stain to darken it up?


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#1 posted 02-10-2018 02:59 PM

sure , just let the stain dry thoroughly and give it a light and i mean light as in a light wipe with some 600 or a scotch bright. just dont go thru the stain
just be aware the stain has sealed everything, so test, but expect to mix the dye super strong because color retention will be minimal .
you can also do the same between each coat of the finish, , layering the color on,
except the for the final coat

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#2 posted 02-20-2018 12:26 AM

Depends a lot on the stain you used … MINWAX has a lot more binder in it which seals the surface more so than many other brands.

Notice that MINWAX doesn’t even call their product a stain … it is a wood finish. I hate the stuff.

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#3 posted 02-20-2018 12:36 AM

Both Charles and Fuzzy are right. You sure can do it, but if your ‘stain’ is really a sealer stain or a varnish stain, the water based dye won’t penetrate well, and won’t darken as much as you would want. Transtint dyes are very aggressive and will stain almost through anything even it coated with polyurethane varnish, which I’ve done dozens of times. Transtint dyes are also water thinned but are still amazingly intense.

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#4 posted 02-20-2018 02:03 PM



Both Charles and Fuzzy are right. You sure can do it, but if your ‘stain’ is really a sealer stain or a varnish stain, the water based dye won’t penetrate well, and won’t darken as much as you would want. Transtint dyes are very aggressive and will stain almost through anything even it coated with polyurethane varnish, which I’ve done dozens of times. Transtint dyes are also water thinned but are still amazingly intense.

- Sark

I have transfast powder.

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#5 posted 02-20-2018 02:03 PM



Depends a lot on the stain you used … MINWAX has a lot more binder in it which seals the surface more so than many other brands.

Notice that MINWAX doesn t even call their product a stain … it is a wood finish. I hate the stuff.

- Fuzzy

On this particular product I used general finishes gel stain.

Off topic but what is your favorite brand of wood stain?

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#6 posted 02-20-2018 02:27 PM

Fuzzy is correct and I agree , minwax is a very poor stain .
For Glazing however often a good gel stain works well, because it tends to lay on the surface more .
I like the General Finishes Gels , however I rarely use stains , almost always dyes .
They are stronger and show the grain better .
I use General Finish dyes , but also like the WD lockwood metal complex dyes ,which are much more colorfast .
the Transfast and transtint dyes are also good.
you may get a decent result if
A : you lightly scuff the surface with some 600 or a scotch bright, it seems breaking the finish open a little helps.
B: mix the dye strong and use Denatured alcohol ( if it mixes) , the alcohol will provide a little chemical tooth , and mixing it strong, because you are going over a finish and so its not going to bite in alot .

be sure to test a scrap, my only concern is the alcohol might soften the stain too much , if so use water .

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