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jimbo71

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02-03-2018 07:46 PM

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New here, searched under several listings and read a lot of good information. It’s tough to compare specs, especially on Teknatool’s website. I was ready to order the 1624 from Acmetools ($899) and just buy the add-ons like DVR and cast iron legs but then I saw a Saturn for $1999 with DVR and cast iron legs. Only difference would seem to be that the 1624 uses the belt headstock whereas the Saturn is belt-free. My lathe experience was on the big Harbor Freight lathe and on the ShopSmith 500. Unfortunately, this will be my last big machine purchase do to age and finances. Please make the decision for me so I can shirk responsibility.


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Wildwood

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#1 posted 02-03-2018 09:15 PM

First hearing this new name but not sure much has changed from earlier models. Might be great late especially if goes on sale.

https://www.woodcraft.com/products/nova-saturn-dvr-lathe

-- Bill

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socrbent

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#2 posted 02-03-2018 09:29 PM

Jimbo – I have had a Nova DVR XP lathe for 5 years and have never regretted the purchase. While not one of the giant 5 ton lathes, it is a great lathe. It is a well built quality machine. I moved up to this from a ShopSmith. The DVR technology allows easy speed changes. The swivel head allows large bowls (up to 29’ diameter) and easy access to the inside of any bowl. The legs which came with mine are very solid and contribute to stabilizing the lathe. I have the bed extension with swing away hinge (allowed me to turn some bats) and the outrigger unit which is is needed if you want to swivel the head.

The Saturn specs seem similar to my older DVR XP (16”swing and 24” bed). It looks like the computer controls have been improved in the newer Saturn model.

If this purchase may be your last lather purchase, I would recommend you get to Saturn. You might consider springing for the Galaxi DVY XP 1644 model with a much longer 44” bed which puts out 2.3 hp if run on 220v if you have the space. Personally the 24’ bed on the Saturn/DVR XP fits my space better and using the bed extension with hinge works best for me. The extension makes a great place to put the tailstock when you need to get it out of the way.

-- socrbent Ohio

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#3 posted 02-03-2018 11:02 PM

Jimbo, I am also looking for a new lathe, I keep considering the Jet 1640evs and the Laguna Revo 18/36 (1.5 hp). However, I also keep throwing into the mix, the Nova 1624-II and then adding a DVR upgrade sold by Nova (as you are thinking).

Theorectically, that would only put me out about $850.00 (Woodcraft regularly puts it on sale at this price) for the lathe and around $600 for the DVR upgrade for a total of around $1450.00. I know the 1624 doesn’t come with the cast iron leg set, just the “hybrid” leg set. But, with the Nova upgrade, you would still have the motor that came with the lathe to use as a spare with manual belt changes, if ever necessary.

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#4 posted 02-03-2018 11:32 PM

Well, Jimbo. Like you and Hockey, I’ve been window shopping for a lathe too. After sifting for hours through every machine in this particular class, my best guesstimate is that the Laguna Revo 18/36 with the 2 h.p. motor (assuming you can run 220v) is the best bang for the buck in it’s class.

If you’re already looking at spending two grand, another $400 bucks for your last “big machine purchase” I can’t imagine not being satisfied with it. It also has plenty of upgradability in the event that you need to add features to get more out of the machine than the stock version offers.

If you want my help in shirking your responsibility, I’m the most irresponsible, best bosom buddy you could ever have! ;^)

-- "You know, I'm such a great driver, it's incomprehensible that they took my license away." --Vince Ricardo

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jimbo71

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#5 posted 02-04-2018 12:57 AM

Thank you gents.

Wildwood, that’s what made me look at the Saturn. Best price I’ve seen…

socrbent, the 24” bed will help. My shop is so packed that all I can do is open the door and stare…

Hockey, yes. Piecing it out by buying the bed extension, swing-away etc. after getting the lathe would also help in slipping it all out of the “home maintenance” fund.

Ripper70, there lies madness. That Laguna 18-36 just screams QUALITY! Maybe I ought to do a Google search on “How to knock over a liquor store – and not get caught”.

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#6 posted 02-04-2018 02:00 AM

Please make the decision for me so I can shirk responsibility.

Not fair! LOL

Actually, I think the Saturn would be an excellent choice. It is essentially an updated version of the venerable Nova DVR XP with some nice new features. Go for it.

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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#7 posted 02-04-2018 08:05 PM

Decisions, decisions.

My brother told me to check out the Baileigh 1847 VS. He was a college industrial arts professor, so I respect his (non-political) opinions. However, since I can’t find anyone in Arkansas selling them, I hope someone here has one.

One decision has been made, I took my finger off the trigger until I’m drop dead sure it’s the right lathe for me. That includes re-sale value for when my wife sells it after I’m dead. That way I’m morally justified in considering it a “household maintenance” expense. Besides “I can make a lot of money with this machine!”’

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Hockey

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#8 posted 02-04-2018 08:24 PM

This decision making process sucks. I need to go check my potential choices out in person. Closest store is about 3.5 hours from me, and they don’t have all 3 I am considering on display. Another store is 4 hours in the opposite direction, and they have 2 of the 3. I would have to visit both stores to see all three in person.

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#9 posted 02-04-2018 08:30 PM

That is a damn good reason for a day trip.

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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#10 posted 02-04-2018 11:53 PM

That Baileigh looks allot like the Grizzly G0733 with a different paint job.

-- "You know, I'm such a great driver, it's incomprehensible that they took my license away." --Vince Ricardo

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#11 posted 02-05-2018 12:00 AM

Actually, it appears that the Grizzly has a 2 HP, 220V, 3-phase with single-phase frequency drive motor with 2 speed ranges and belt change requirements. The Baileigh is variable 220V Single Phase.

Thanks allot. Now I have another lathe in the mix that needs consideration. Good times!

-- "You know, I'm such a great driver, it's incomprehensible that they took my license away." --Vince Ricardo

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#12 posted 02-06-2018 03:36 PM

Hey Ripper. Looks like the Baileigh and Grizzly both use phase shift technology (magic, in other words). That GO733 looks good, but I like the GO766 even more. A little shorter, which helps in my shop, about a hundred cheaper and 3 HP instead of 2. Only thing I don’t like about the Grizzly is the miserable 25mm tool rest post.
It seems like you’re better off to have at least two belt speeds plus the speed control in order to keep the torque up. Do I have that right? Springfield is about a hundred miles away, so I could get the 766 and be back in a half day. Tempting.

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Ripper70

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#13 posted 02-06-2018 06:02 PM

I think you’re on to something there with the G0766. Seems like from the price/value perspective, lots of bang for the buck there. And who wouldn’t want 3 horses? Yes, the 25mm tool rest thing is unfortunate but not necessarily a deal breaker.

A question for you might be the 1-1/4” x 8 TPI RH headstock spindle size. I’m assuming whatever tooling you may have now won’t fit. So, either an adapter is in order or you’ll need to add the costs of tooling in the appropriate size. Of course, unless you’re planning on keeping the HF lathe that you have now, selling the old lathe can help offset some of the costs you’ll have to incur.

Also, not for nuthin’, but as I dig deeper into the Laguna options, I keep finding some unsettling information about what seems to be some pretty lackluster customer service, including some very dissatisfied customers among the ranks of LJ members. Grizzly, on the other hand, seems to get very high marks for their customer service. Just some food for thought.

-- "You know, I'm such a great driver, it's incomprehensible that they took my license away." --Vince Ricardo

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#14 posted 02-06-2018 06:37 PM

I’m also looking at the Saturn. The specs claim 4 locking positions for the headstock so I’m assuming it doesn’t lock at 22.5 degrees. Is that correct? Not really a deal breaker for me but it would be nice if it would.

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Ripper70

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#15 posted 02-06-2018 06:46 PM



I m also looking at the Saturn. The specs claim 4 locking positions for the headstock so I m assuming it doesn t lock at 22.5 degrees. Is that correct? Not really a deal breaker for me but it would be nice if it would.

- DDJ


According to this spec sheet the head has 360-degree swivel and locks at any position, plus detent locating positions at 0, 22, 45 and 90 degrees.

-- "You know, I'm such a great driver, it's incomprehensible that they took my license away." --Vince Ricardo

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