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MinnesotaMarty

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01-27-2018 02:27 AM

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I retired 6 months ago and 3 years before that I (with my guys) built my last home. I finally am getting a shop of my own. No employees to share it with or mis-treat equipment. I have a 30’ x 28’ garage attached to the house, essentially in front of the main level bedrooms. When I designed the house I costed out the difference between a under garage basement as a shop or use attic trusses for a shop above the garage. Those attic trusses are 40+ feet. going with the trusses was way less money. I figured I would have to have stairs in either case. So, the stairway for the shop is right in the garage so moving stuff up there is a straight shot. My son and his buddies are great muscles and a case of beer goes a long way. Two neighbor boys are good help too – but too young for the case of beer.

I have two pieces of equipment that I will be purchasing, that are causing me concern on how to move them up the stairs. A Sawstop/Powermatic or Grizzly cabinet table saw. ( Not the contractor saw that is up there already.). And then a 12” Jointer/Planer. The cabinet saw is a little over 500 lbs. but the top and fence are in separate boxes. But, the Jointer/Planer (the Grizzly) is 730 lbs in one crate.

Any suggestions from fellow Lumberjocks on how the get that Jointer/planer up those 15 steps?

My thought was to lay some 2’x 12’s flat to form a steep ramp and then basically winch it up the stairs. A piano mover friend said to get four guys up on the top and pull it up with ropes tied around the crate. He said to leave it in the crate because it will be easier to move the crate up the stairs than the machine out of the crate.

Thanks for your input.

Marty

-- I can see the cheese heads from here and it is great.


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Hermit

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#1 posted 01-27-2018 02:37 AM

I think you have the right idea. I would use a come-a-long at the top of the stairs, sliding it along planks as you suggested.

-- I'm like the farmer's duck. If it don't rain, I'll walk.

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#2 posted 01-27-2018 02:39 AM

just had a crazy idea. notch the 2×12” (maybe 1/4”-1/2”) like a bar clamp is set up. Screw in some 2×12’s to the crate with the same notches facing the other way & deep enough to catch, so if you do winch it or use brute force, you can rest at every notch. maybe tested somewhere (haven’t looked), but sounds like a good idea in my head.

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Ripper70

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#3 posted 01-27-2018 02:46 AM

Rent one of these...

Works like this...

-- "You know, I'm such a great driver, it's incomprehensible that they took my license away." --Vince Ricardo

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IantheTinker

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#4 posted 01-27-2018 03:02 AM

Hello my fellow Minnesotan! I think you have the right idea with the ramp and winch, I would go with a portable electric winch myself. Of course, you want a system that is either permanent, or temporary and easy to set up just in case you have heavy purchases in the future. I have seen folks use rope and pulleys to get things down the stairs, maybe that could also work if you have something to anchor the pulleys to above the stairs.

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toolie

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#5 posted 01-27-2018 02:19 PM



Rent one of these...

Works like this...

- Ripper70


That’s really impressive. Two thoughts occurred to me. (1) would it function the same if the stairs were not carpeted?
(2) there are no belaying lines. What would happen if it got away from the technician? That’s a lot of weight to start tumbling towards the floor.

-- there's a solution to every problem.......you just have to be willing to find it.

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Markmh1

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#6 posted 01-27-2018 02:32 PM

I had a gun safe moved using a Lectrotruck. You should Google that. Try to rent one.

Their web site has a video and all your questions should get answered. The Lectrotruck is the slickest thing I’ve ever seen for heavy stuff on stairs, up or down.

Mark

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#7 posted 01-27-2018 03:16 PM

I wouldn’t want to put that amount of weight on my stair case. If possible consider putting an opening in the gable end of your upstairs shop and use a telescopic reach fork lift for an hour or so to slide the equipment into your shop. You might find that opening works for many other uses. I know this solution isn’t always possible but for delivering large amounts of materials or heavy equipment for use in a second story an opening of this sort works. Just saying….in my humble opinion.

-- K. Stone “Tell me and I forget, teach me and I may remember, involve me and I learn.” ― Benjamin Franklin

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#8 posted 01-27-2018 03:52 PM

Kelly got right idea …if possible …if not Vince is the best way …this is how we use to move furnaces in and out of basements ….GOOD LUCK :<))

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#9 posted 01-27-2018 04:02 PM

I would be concerned with the point load on the truss bottom chord.

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#10 posted 01-27-2018 04:04 PM

I’ve moved combo machines by taking the
jointer tables off.

When you get over 600lb or so machines
get pretty difficult to move by muscle alone.
Below that they can be moved on a balloon
tire hand truck without much trouble. Pulling
that planer with the jointer tables off up
those stairs on a hand truck is doable with
3 young guys. They’d have it done in a
matter of minutes. Use a block and tackle
to assist if you want, but at the weights you’re
dealing with it’s not necessary to get fancy,
imo.

Moving machines can be nerve wracking but
I’ve been lucky, knock on wood, and never
dropped one. Plan it out, but you aren’t
building the pyramids.

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#11 posted 01-27-2018 04:40 PM

I have done a few moves myself, one time alone. I had to get a unisaw up from the basement and on to a truck. The only way I could do it was to take it apart as much as possible and then strap components to a movers dolly. I understand the reluctance to take stuff apart to move because it adds quite a bit of time in setup to have to reassemble everything and adjust, etc. What freaks me out though, is when moving something that weighs as much as the equipment you are going to move, is imagining what would or could happen if there was some kind of failure in the mechanisms being used to assist your lift. Serious injury and possible death. One way you can insure to make that likelihood low, is to decrease the weight. Just my two cents… Good luck.

Or just strap it to your back like a Sherpa.

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Ripper70

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#12 posted 01-27-2018 04:42 PM


Rent one of these...

Works like this...

- Ripper70

That’s really impressive. Two thoughts occurred to me. (1) would it function the same if the stairs were not carpeted?
(2) there are no belaying lines. What would happen if it got away from the technician? That’s a lot of weight to start tumbling towards the floor.

- toolie


The electric truck does all the work including “climbing” the stairs. The jointer could be brought up the stairs by one person. With the OP’s son and some buddies it’ll be a pretty simple affair. Here's a video of the stair climbing action of the electric truck.

The first link above has a rental outfit near the OP’s town in MN that rents them for $120 bucks for the day.

-- "You know, I'm such a great driver, it's incomprehensible that they took my license away." --Vince Ricardo

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MinnesotaMarty

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#13 posted 01-28-2018 02:12 AM

Thanks guys for the great suggestions.

First let me address some of the concerns that the stairway or the trusses can’t take this load. When the trusses were designed it was known and designed for that load. My truss supplier and truss rep are very competent and we built the trusses for this type of load. At plan review the building inspector commented, ” What are you going to park a truck up there?” The stairs stringers are 12” oc. LSL material and the bottom below the thread cut are reinforced with 8” microlams on each side. Then the bottom of the stairs is sheathed with 3/4” CDX to tie the bottom of the stair jack assembly together to prevent any deflection of the bottom of the stair jack. As a safety measure we added a bearing wall to the midpint of the stairway run. The loading of the stairway and trusses are no worries for me.

I checked with my local rental yard today and they have a motorized stair lift for $125 per day,

Loren,
I am going to check with Grizzly and Felder for insight into taking the jointer beds off for moving up the stairs. That would make the machine 200 lbs lighter. One wall of the stairway is a bearing wall between the house and garage. the other wall of the stairway has a 3 ply girder truss. between those two I should be able to rig up some type of block and tackle to help safely move the machine up the stairs. Thanks for the insight.

Marty

-- I can see the cheese heads from here and it is great.

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#14 posted 01-28-2018 01:30 PM

My wife and I recently moved a rock grinding station into our basement. It was around #400. Way more than we could handle. My solution was to break it down into manageable pieces and carry them down the stairs. I now know a lot more about how that machine goes together and I also know that everything is tight. Took a couple of hours, but nothing got broke and no one was injured.

-- Sawdust Maker

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#15 posted 01-28-2018 02:16 PM

Get this and you wife can do it for you. larry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rycfK_8o0lk

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