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01-23-2018 12:04 AM

Topic tags/keywords: powermatic 209hh grizzly g0453z planer upgrade planer new planer used planer

Ok, I want to finally upgrade from my Ridgid planer. Here’s my two options:

A. NEW Grizzly G0453Z, 15”, 3 hp, spiral cutterhead. Delivery not until May, 2018.
$2000

B. USED Powermatic 209HH, 20”, 5hp, Byrd head, 10 year old machine that saw heavy use in a cabinet/molding shop, new motor put in about 2 years ago, new Byrd cutters recently installed (on their first side), cast iron appears used, but no pitting/rust, owner says it needs a little adjustment but runs great. I haven’t laid eyes on PM yet (about 90 min drive).
$2400 (retails $4400 new)

I’m a hobbyist woodworker that builds furniture for my family. Either machines are a huge upgrade, and to be honest, I don’t NEED either. But I want something with a spiral cutterhead. I am pretty tight on space. But if I can make room for the Griz, then I can make room for the larger PM as well.

I would love some outside advice! Thank you!

-- Travis, South Dakota


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#1 posted 01-23-2018 12:52 AM

I have the 20” version of the Grizzly planer with the helical head and I love it.
It’s pretty much a Taiwan copy of the Powermatic. To be honest. they’re probably made in the same factory. The Powermatic is probably just held to higher spec standards.

I am actually selling my 20” to a friend who is going to sell his Powermatic 20” with straight knives. He’s seen my Grizzly in action so feels it’s worth it to go that route.

I’ll throw you a curve ball now. If the 20” used Powermatic is in your ballpark in terms of price, the 20” Grizzly, brand new is only around $100 more I think. And, it also has built in casters to move it around the same as the 15”

If you go the used Powermatic route, inspect it carefully. If it’s already gone through that much heavy use, there could be other mechanical parts worn out as well. As long as everything’s good though, that could be a machine that will last you the life of your hobby :)

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#2 posted 01-23-2018 01:00 AM

Thank you for your incite. I really appreciate it. I had thought of that as well, regarding the new 20” griz. The thing is, is that the 15” will be plenty of planer for my needs. So, I’d probably opt to save a few bucks and a few inches of floorspace and go with the 15”.

I just didn’t know if getting a PM at this price point is something that shouldn’t be passed up. OR, maybe going brand new is the logical decision.

So, why are you selling your 20” Grizzly?

-- Travis, South Dakota

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#3 posted 01-23-2018 01:09 AM

The powermatic it is better made. There is a difference between grizzly and powermatic. I have used both the grizzly fine but powermatic is better and you will like the 20” over 15”. I had a twenty inch powermatic when I taught woodworking and wished I had the 24”.

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#4 posted 01-23-2018 01:12 AM



Thank you for your incite. I really appreciate it. I had thought of that as well, regarding the new 20” griz. The thing is, is that the 15” will be plenty of planer for my needs. So, I d probably opt to save a few bucks and a few inches of floorspace and go with the 15”.

I just didn t know if getting a PM at this price point is something that shouldn t be passed up. OR, maybe going brand new is the logical decision.

So, why are you selling your 20” Grizzly?

- dakotawood

I would probably go the new route vs used for something like that. If it was a hobbyist selling it, then the used would look more attractive.

I’m selling mine because I am getting a Woodmaster 25”. I plane a lot of large slabs and I had to do a lot of slabs this last summer using just my 25” drum sander and it cost me a lot of time and work for that.

Also, I make a lot of blanks for turners so I’m also getting the shaft that will have 4 blades to make it into a gang saw so I can make multiple blanks and also multiple boards of the same size for some cutting board kits as well.

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#5 posted 01-23-2018 01:17 AM

The 20” Powermatic sounds like the way to go but at $1800 or less, heavy use in a cabinet shop to the point of needing a motor replaced already will command a price far lower than $2400 from all but the greediest of sellers.

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#6 posted 01-23-2018 01:46 AM

Thanks for your input guys! I’m still on the fence! Ug! New is attractive. But 20” is attractive. I agree – I was thinking if I can get used PM for $2k – then it’d be a little more tempting.

-- Travis, South Dakota

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#7 posted 01-23-2018 02:23 AM

Make the 90 minute drive prepared to haul it home (after testing it of course) with $100 bills in your pocket. Negotiations always work better in person and with cash.

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#8 posted 01-23-2018 02:26 AM

I”d go powermatic personally.

If it was any other brand I’d probably say griz, but I trust the used powermatic and would prefer the larger capacity. In the event something came up, you could sell the powermatic for close to what you paid for it vs. having to shave 25%+ off the grizz to move it

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#9 posted 01-23-2018 02:32 AM



The 20” Powermatic sounds like the way to go but at $1800 or less, heavy use in a cabinet shop to the point of needing a motor replaced already will command a price far lower than $2400 from all but the greediest of sellers.

- bigblockyeti

I agree. With that use, I would probably only pay $1500 but I agree, $1800 would be a fair price.
I buy cheap though when buying used and will wait for something else to come along if I can’t get the price I want.

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#10 posted 01-23-2018 03:02 AM

Say a prayer about it. I’m serious. Both are fine options in my opinion.

-- Pete

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#11 posted 01-23-2018 04:04 AM

All excellent arguments for/against. Thanks a bunch everyone. I appreciate it.

I’ve pretty much thought in my head most of what everyone is saying here. It is good incite that people might say it’s over priced though. I’m fairly clueless when it comes to that.

Obviously the NEW machine is, well, easy. It’s safe. But, the used PM is so intriguing!

Pete – you’re suggestion is perfect. And, that I will.

-- Travis, South Dakota

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#12 posted 01-23-2018 09:14 PM

Say a prayer? Huh? Which planer would Jesus buy?

-- I admit to being an adrenaline junky; fortunately, I'm very easily frightened

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#13 posted 01-23-2018 09:20 PM

Sounds funny, doesn’t it? :-) It’s a way a life. Jesus doesn’t just stay in Church and forget about us the rest of the time. For me, big decisions are taken to prayer… (In my world, a $2000 purchase is a big decision) Anyway, its just a suggestion… no more no less

-- Pete

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#14 posted 01-23-2018 09:32 PM



Which planer would Jesus buy?

- runswithscissors


I’m guessing a low angle jack plane.

-- "You know, I'm such a great driver, it's incomprehensible that they took my license away." --Vince Ricardo

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#15 posted 01-23-2018 10:38 PM

Nah, he dealt alot with highly figure species, burning bush among others, he needed something with a nice high angle to prevent tearout.

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