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fivecodys

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01-17-2018 12:20 AM

SEE MY POST WAY DOWN THIS THREAD FOR THE FINISHED PRODUCT**

Hi guys,
Well, after many years of reading posts on this forum about dust collection, I have begun the journey of modifying my Jet DC1100.

Here is what I started with.

And here is where I am now.

As you can see, I have the blower mounted to the wall and have added the Super Dust Deputy and dust bin.

I placed my order yesterday for the 5” metal ducting/fittings from Oneida. (free freight)
I also priced this out through KenCraft but their freight charges made them more expensive.

The total run of ducting is 27’ with three wye’s and four 5” blast gates.
All the elbows (3) are long sweep.
It is a very small and compact layout.
My plan is to run 5” hose right up the machines and reduce as little as possible (if at all) right at the machine.

While I wait for my order to arrive I will tackle the chore of venting the exhaust to the outside of the garage/shop.
My current thought is to use flexible metal ducting to an elbow aiming down into the flower beds.
Any ideas out there?

I have also installed a WEN air filter up in the ceiling of my small garage shop.

My garage/shop is not heated or air conditioned and has both roof vents and a side wall vent so no worries about replacing the air I expel through the DC exhaust. I usually have the garage door and man door opened a bit anyway.

It has been both a fun and challenging process so far.
My wife parks her car right in the middle of my shop every night so everything must be mobile and able to move aside.

Thanks for looking!

-- The less an idiot knows, the louder he seems to know it!


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Bluenote38

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#1 posted 01-17-2018 11:43 AM

Nice setup. And you are a better man than me. I’m in Michigan and having my wife park in the garage in winter is never going to happen. Dragging in the wet salt slush would pretty much rust tool I own. Next house I get a dedicated shop and she get the garage back :-)

-- Bill - Rochester MI

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Fred Hargis

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#2 posted 01-17-2018 12:10 PM

Be sure to have some kind of discharge with a flapper or something to keep out the insects/birds/whatever on the outside vent. Otherwise I think you’re good to go…sure wish I could vent out.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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#3 posted 01-17-2018 02:22 PM

I have the exact same setup except 6” mains. It started as an experiment while I was locating a 3HP blower.

Its done so surprisingly well I just left it alone.

Venting outside makes the difference IMO.

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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fivecodys

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#4 posted 01-17-2018 04:01 PM



Nice setup. And you are a better man than me. I m in Michigan and having my wife park in the garage in winter is never going to happen. Dragging in the wet salt slush would pretty much rust tool I own. Next house I get a dedicated shop and she get the garage back :-)

- Bluenote38

A dedicated shop would be awesome! Oh well. :)

-- The less an idiot knows, the louder he seems to know it!

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fivecodys

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#5 posted 01-17-2018 04:01 PM



Be sure to have some kind of discharge with a flapper or something to keep out the insects/birds/whatever on the outside vent. Otherwise I think you re good to go…sure wish I could vent out.

- Fred Hargis

Good advice. Thank you!

-- The less an idiot knows, the louder he seems to know it!

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fivecodys

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#6 posted 01-17-2018 04:02 PM



I have the exact same setup except 6” mains. It started as an experiment while I was locating a 3HP blower.

Its done so surprisingly well I just left it alone.

Venting outside makes the difference IMO.

- rwe2156

What did you use to transition through the wall and what are you using to direct the blast once outside?

-- The less an idiot knows, the louder he seems to know it!

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#7 posted 01-17-2018 04:46 PM

Looking at the top down, you have the incoming air being spun counterclockwise as it enters the cyclone then transitioned to clockwise by the blower. That will require a lot of work taking all that air mass and having to reverse the direction of rotation making the system less efficient than it could be.

That being said, I do like the clean, stacked look of the assembly.

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laterthanuthink

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#8 posted 01-17-2018 04:48 PM

Nice compact setup. Will you output to a filter or canister? I was looking at doing something like this, which I found somewhere on the interwebs.

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fivecodys

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#9 posted 01-17-2018 06:37 PM



Looking at the top down, you have the incoming air being spun counterclockwise as it enters the cyclone then transitioned to clockwise by the blower. That will require a lot of work taking all that air mass and having to reverse the direction of rotation making the system less efficient than it could be.

That being said, I do like the clean, stacked look of the assembly.

- bigblockyeti

Interesting. I could reverse the direction that the exhaust elbow points (just up there for mock up right now) so the it exits the machine to the left like it did in its original configuration. I was wondering what effect direct venting will have on the motor because it is not having to push the exhaust air through filters. Maybe a bit of back pressure might be a good thing? Your thought?

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#10 posted 01-17-2018 06:49 PM

Back pressure reduction would be best. The direction the elbow is pointed should have no effect on the apparent load. The best thing would be to put the motor on the opposite side of the volute but I don’t think that can be done with that housing as it’s nonreversible if I remember correctly.

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#11 posted 01-17-2018 06:51 PM



Nice compact setup. Will you output to a filter or canister? I was looking at doing something like this, which I found somewhere on the interwebs.

- laterthanuthink


That was my first idea too but it takes up too much room in my small shop. I will not have a filter just the Super Dust Deputy that is supposed to capture 99% of it anyway. I will be sending the other 1% into the flower beds. Previously I was using fans to blow all the fine dust out of the garage to the side yard so it’s not much different.

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#12 posted 01-17-2018 06:57 PM

I am curious about this. If you vent your dust collector outside, instead of into the filter and collection bag, why would you still require a filter? I thought that venting the chips outside negates the need for a filter?

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fivecodys

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#13 posted 01-17-2018 07:15 PM



I am curious about this. If you vent your dust collector outside, instead of into the filter and collection bag, why would you still require a filter? I thought that venting the chips outside negates the need for a filter?

- SweetTea

I am only venting the air “after” it passes through the Super Dust Deputy. That unit (SDD) will gather up to 99% of the dust and chips and drop them into the yellow bin below it. So, all that is venting outside is exhaust air and about 1% of the super fine dust that the SDD did not capture.
I hope that helps.

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#14 posted 01-17-2018 10:21 PM

Unfortunately that last 1% that isn’t captured is composed of the smallest, most dangerous (from a health standpoint) dust particles, some kind of filter would be better than none.

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fivecodys

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#15 posted 01-17-2018 11:29 PM



Unfortunately that last 1% that isn t captured is composed of the smallest, most dangerous (from a health standpoint) dust particles, some kind of filter would be better than none.

- bigblockyeti

I think there is some confusion here so let me try this again.

The Super Dust Deputy claims that of the saw dust and chips collected, 99% are captured and sent to the barrel.
The one percent that is not captured, exits out of the blower out outside through a dryer vent. (or something similar)

IF I was returning this air back into the shop then yes, that 1% of fine dust would indeed be an issue that would require a filter. But, since I am not returning that air back into the shop, but to the outside, it will not be an issue.

Now with all of that said, there is still the issue of the dust that the collector does not gather at the machines.
This will be an issue, as it is in any shop, that will require an air cleaner and dust masks when needed.

This is why I have installed an air cleaner in the ceiling where, I believe, most of the airborne dust will be floating around.

I hope this makes it a little clearer. No pun intended. :)

Thank you for your comments.

-- The less an idiot knows, the louder he seems to know it!

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