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03-21-2011 05:30 AM

Topic tags/keywords: bailey 21 transitional plane

Gang,

Found this gem in my great (perhaps great great) grandfathers tool kit. It appears to be a Bailey #21… 8.25 inches long. Can anyone verify? There are no Stanley marks nor any patents stamped anywhere. Lever cap appears to have been fixed/welded long ago…

(I should mention that I’ve already been to supertool/bloodandgore..)

Would love to know more about it (date of manufacture, etc.) if anyone can point me to a resource…

-- Laziness minus Apathy equals Efficiency


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#1 posted 03-21-2011 05:41 AM

Haven’t decided whether to derust or leave it as is…

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#2 posted 03-21-2011 05:46 AM

http://www.supertool.com/stanleybg/stan4.htm

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#3 posted 03-21-2011 05:51 AM

At some point in time Stanley bought out Bailey planes so this plane was probably pre-Stanley. Its a transitional plane which are planes with metal bodies and wood bottoms. I don’t believe this style of plane holds any big value as far as an antique or collectible. I would clean it up/restore it. Put it back to work.

-- Dan - "Collector of Hand Planes"

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#4 posted 03-21-2011 05:56 AM

ksSlim. Been there. He doesn’t describe the Bailey ones… only the Stanleys :-(

He DOES say though that this model—if it’s an original Bailey #21—is “scarce and collectible” ...

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#5 posted 03-21-2011 03:36 PM

Are you sure the blade is not marked? Try and get some of the rust off the top of the blade and see if its marked. That would really help date the plane.

-- Dan - "Collector of Hand Planes"

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#6 posted 03-22-2011 03:44 AM

Dan,

Your comment made me look again. Blade IS marked.

Stanley
New Britain
Conn
USA

... but the plane is longer than the Stanley #21 on supertool. And the base appears to be OAK, not beech.

So… now I’m looking closer at the base and I see this at the toe, imprinted on the wood:

PAT. 6.9.12
BAILEY
Stanley Rule & Level Co

... and then a year, which could read 1882 or might be 1922. Really hard to tell.

Totally missed these markings before. Viewing them under really strong light and wetting the surface to have them show.

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#7 posted 03-22-2011 03:46 AM

”... and then a year, which could read 1882 or might be 1922. Really hard to tell.”

... or I suppose could be “no 22”?

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#8 posted 03-22-2011 06:03 AM

Sounds like a #22 http://www.hansbrunnertools.gil.com.au/Stanley%20by%20numbers/Stanley%2022.htm

I thought you might find markings on the blade. I have restored several dozen planes and sometimes I really have to clean or even sand away some material before I can find and make out any markings.

Also the blade markings would date the plane in the 1900’s I think check this site out

http://home.comcast.net/~rexmill/planes101/typing/typing.htm

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#9 posted 03-22-2011 06:16 AM

Looks like it :-) Blade markings make it a “type 11” from that link, so 1911-1918.

Strange though that the toe says Bailey and not Stanley as in the photos.

None the less, it’s a family heirloom and I’m keepin’ it!

-- Laziness minus Apathy equals Efficiency

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#10 posted 03-22-2011 07:38 AM

Looks nice

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#11 posted 03-22-2011 05:05 PM

Its a #22. Clean it up and sharpen the blade and use it. I have 2 or 3 of them. Plus some 21’s, a 25 and 2 or 3 of the #35’s and #36’s. I use these more than the # 3’s and 4’s. I like the way it feels with wood on wood.

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#12 posted 03-22-2011 05:10 PM

She’s a beauty. Like Richard, I like using wood planes but I can’t claim that I used them more than ironbodies. I’m impressed. How does the mouth look? I like to season the wood with beeswax/turpentine but others might have a different method. It gives the wood a wonderful feel and isn’t actually “restoring”.

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