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Forum topic by HorizontalMike posted 03-19-2011 06:42 PM 2226 views 0 times favorited 51 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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03-19-2011 06:42 PM

Topic tags/keywords: projects plane restoration plane planes

Ok color me confused. Yesterday I just posted a project on restoring a 100 year old woodworking plane, a Sargent 418VBM. I checked it this morning and had a number of positive comments and “how to” questions. Now I check and POOF! It’s gone.

QUESTION: Is this an anomaly? Any ideas what happened (Martin, Ms. Debbie, etc.)?

*There is actually a designated category for ”Plane” under Projects, and a real quick scan over the past 90 days or so found many plane restorations listed. I could go on, but you get the idea:

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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jim C

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#1 posted 03-19-2011 07:09 PM

musta been something you said charliel


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#2 posted 03-19-2011 08:33 PM

Maybe it should have been a “Stanley” restoration instead of a “Sargent” restoration. ;-)

Still hoping find some explanation as to whether it was a CPU hiccup or some form of censorship (though I don’t know why/how since I never got an email explanation). I personally do not know of anything more important to the art of woodworking than function and maintenance of the woodworking tools themselves, especially those tools that are revived/restored after +100 years of use.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#3 posted 03-19-2011 11:52 PM

Ping… Any news on this?

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#4 posted 03-20-2011 12:01 AM

Hi Mike,

there is an important text on the New Project page:

“Yes, I want to post my finished project that is made of wood

If it doesn’t fit the above description (like tool gloats & upgrades, wood gloats, projects in progress etc.),
either blog it or post it in an appropriate forum. Otherwise it will be removed.”

Feel free to post your plane restoration to the Tools&Hardware forum or your LJ blog.

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#5 posted 03-20-2011 12:24 AM

Martin, if that is the case, then you missed mine, so remove it also.

It’s your call, of course, but I consider completed woodworking tool restorations to be woodworking projects. That’s not the same at all as a wood gloat or a project in progress.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#6 posted 03-20-2011 01:45 AM

I am truly trying not to be facetious about this but does everyone know how much of a slippery slope the above “projects” statement/policy is? What about the literally hundreds of existing “projects” that NOW needs to be moved? What about LJs #23 (made up identity) who posts a new (as in RIGHT NOW) wooden widget and I click on his link to see what else this guy builds, and I find a TS modification for a TS sled, or a Stanley plane restoration he did 4 years ago? Unless the entire “Projects” database is purged of these things, this issue will be unending and come up EVERY day, IMO.

Charlie voices my concerns completely on this and that truly is at the heart of the matter.

Martin, you will do what you choose but under these new guidelines my only OTHER remaining “projects” should also then be removed:

1. My restoration of my 160year old drop-leaf cherry dining table, since I did NOT build it and it also contains some of the very first machined STEEL screws made (1846-56) that still had to be hand-slotted.

2. My planer infeed and outfeed ramps, since it is ONLY an existing tool modification.

3. Some might even consider my 21st Century Workbench to NOT be my (or even “a”) project since I just followed someone else’s plans. No originality on my part. Bob Lang gets the credit for this NOT me.

I really feel like I have been kicked to the back of the bus on this, for as of now I have nothing considered good enough or worthy to be considered “an LJs project.” I am not feeling good about this at all.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#7 posted 03-20-2011 01:56 AM


It seems like you might want to consider a courtesy e-mail to let the original poster know what is happening. It could help smooth things over quite a bit. Maybe even give the OP a day to post in the preferred area.

It would also be helpful if the orginal comments could get moved to the perferred area.

-- Steve - Impatience is Expensive

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#8 posted 03-20-2011 02:06 AM

Why not move the post to the forum that you feel it is more related to rather than removing it entirely. Then inform the original poster where it has been moved to and why.
Just a thought….

-- Gary; Marysville, MI...Involve your children in your projects as much as possible, the return is priceless.

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#9 posted 03-20-2011 02:23 AM

One more reason why this site is going donwhill and good old members are leaving too many surprise new rules.

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#10 posted 03-20-2011 02:26 AM

Sounds like we are starting to ‘Split Hairs’. There goes the Old Neighborhood!

-- Rustfever, Central California

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#11 posted 03-20-2011 04:31 AM

I have a lot old projects I would like to share with LJ folks. When you show stuff from your background you show how you have progressed through woodworking.


-- One who works with his hands is a laborer, his hands & head A craftsman, his hands, head & heart a artist

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#12 posted 03-20-2011 04:35 AM

I have spent the last couple of hours trying to flag as many of the hand plane “projects” as I can for you, probably 50-60 at least, just in the past 460days (according to pages view where I have stopped thus far), under the “projects/plane” category. You should now be able to more easily move or delete all these offending projects from the “project” page at will.

I understand that it is your decision to set the “projects” posting policy that way, but wow, there are not going to be very many happy campers out there when this is finally accomplished/completed. I really wish you would reconsider. If any of the others were as proud of their hand plane restoration “event” as I was, then I really feel sorry for them as well.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#13 posted 03-20-2011 05:11 AM

HorizontalMike was your restoration finished? Please repost it so that the rest of us can see it. Thanks.

Martin – It just seems wrong to remove it without notice. Why not just move it to the correct location if something is posted wrong. Now we have lost something valuable and LumberJocks (the site) is less because of its loss. Not to mention the bad feelings that simply deleting it causes.

-- Jack T, John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life."

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#14 posted 03-20-2011 07:18 AM

Martin, Why don’t we just have a general “projects” spot as well as a “new” projects spot?


-- One who works with his hands is a laborer, his hands & head A craftsman, his hands, head & heart a artist

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#15 posted 03-20-2011 02:36 PM

Yes it was complete. Here is my website page on it (but without the comments that also contained how-to questions, needed materials, etc.). Looks like all of my projects (as I define them) will have to be moved off site where LJs will no longer be able to comment on them. I believe that the comments were the biggest attraction to LJs in the first place.

I think the projects page has failed to keep up with the membership growth and instead of improving the organization/function of the “projects” page, new restrictions were put in place instead. This is my opinion only and I take responsibility for my opinion.

I see a number of solutions that would be less invasive/offending/restrictive to the membership;

1. Create a Blog “Gallery”— that is a graphical equivalent to the current “projects” page/gallery and that shows graphically in each member’s profile. Everyone likes to SEE what they have done under their profile as it is a source of pride/accomplishment.

2. Permanently Categorize The Projects Page— Develop these categories along the lines of say tables, chairs, cabinets, room restorations/paneling, hand tools (could be new and/or restored), power tool accessories (such as router tables, TS-sleds, etc), wood-turning (bowls, pens, etc.), carvings, and I am sure other categories as need. I am NOT talking about the “search tags” as they currently work. What I am saying PICK a category to place your project into PERMANENTLY. This would take pressure off of the singular “projects” page and its very limited abilities. Consider that if everyone of the +25,000 members restricted themselves to just ONE project PER YEAR, there would be 68 NEW projects posted EVERY day of the year. The current “projects” page is NOT currently set up to handle that kind of traffic, thus the institution of more restrictions on members’ postings, IMO.

3. Create A Personal Gallery (graphical)— that ONLY shows in the member’s profile THAT IS NOT LINKED to the greater “projects” page. This gallery should allow the user to choose what is a project and what is not and they would be free to post what pictures they choose (within good taste, of course).

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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