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chrisstef

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03-19-2011 03:10 PM

Im still a ways out on finishing this project but i was looking for opinions on my latest and greatest finishing idea:

Wood is Cypress.

Step 1: coat with dewaxed shellac
Step 2: flood coat with General Finishes Dye Stain, wipe off
Step 3 – 5: 3 coats of wipe on poly

I dont have any experience with dye stains or with finishing cypress so im looking for some LJ tips, tricks and advice.

Project is an entry bench with 2 fold up seats for storage and a boot rack underneath, located in an unheated / uncooled breezeway, inside but subject to outside temperatures and humidity.

—“Sometimes the shortest way is the longest way”

-- rock, chalk, jayhawk


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Beginningwoodworker

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#1 posted 03-19-2011 04:12 PM

I think its best to try sample finishing on scraps first.

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#2 posted 03-19-2011 05:34 PM

I will definately try on some scrap before hand, ive still got a long way to go before its time for finish especially if i keep drawing up benches at 24 inches wide and not 42 inches wide …. dyslexia anyone?

-- rock, chalk, jayhawk

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#3 posted 03-19-2011 06:01 PM

I think you want to dye the wood first, then seal it with the shellac or use a stain on it then seal it.

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#4 posted 03-19-2011 07:58 PM

Stain the wood first, wipe of excess
1 coat Dewaxed shellac
lightly sand
3 coats of polyurethane

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#5 posted 03-19-2011 08:17 PM

What Steven H said.

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#6 posted 03-19-2011 11:25 PM

I misread the original post and thought he meant using wood dyes not stain. In which case Steve and John are correct.
Sorry Chris
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#7 posted 03-20-2011 12:23 AM

Id like to use a dye stain, I was looking at general finishes dye stains specifically. Cypress being and oily wood ive read that a dye stain will work best. (im a little green and im not sure if there is a difference between a dye and a dye stain)

What im gathering is that the shellac doesnt really bring anythign to the table because the finish, in this case, will be a dye stain not a pigment (which could move around if polyurethaned over). So, straight after the dye i can move right to poly, without a shellac coat in between?

-- rock, chalk, jayhawk

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#8 posted 03-20-2011 01:35 AM

Picture 1 maple box with dyed pieces sealed with shellac and poly on top
picture 2 maple box with dyed pieces then used poly—note the smearing—looks worse than the picture. I learned this the hard way. Both were water based dyes and I let them dry for 2 days before putting any finish on either of them. They were not “dye-stains”. If you use the dye stains you can move on to the poly without the shellac.
I would suggest if you use poplar or pine be sure to use a blotch control first.

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#9 posted 03-21-2011 02:39 PM

Barry, thanks for the info, very well written … even i could understand it. Its officially monday morning here and i have had my first dose of enlightenment for the day. You definately cleared things up for me.

Now that i have the shop cleaned and organized i cant wait to get home and make it a dusty filthy mess all over again.

Go UCONN !!!!

-- rock, chalk, jayhawk

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#10 posted 03-21-2011 05:32 PM

Got another suggestion for you.

I am working with cherry and as you know it blotches badly with any type of stain rather it be dyes or whatever and some more than others. Cut shellac at 1/2 lb cut still does not allow the color to penetrate the wood and I wanted some penitration so I have been testing some glue sizing (homemade) with Gorilla™ Wood Glue (polyvinyl alcohol glue) mixed with 8 to 10 parts water ie 4oz glue to approx 36 oz distilled water.

I have been brushing on two coats, the first wet the surface and then wipe back with dampened rag, let dry for an hour or so depending on temp in room, sand lightly with 320 to knock off the raised grain hairs, then apply second coat wiping back with dampened rag and letting it dry overnight. Sand lightly again then apply GF Dye stain liberally and wipe back while still wet then let dry overnight. Then I cut the 2lb dewaxed shellac to 1/2 lb and spray an over coat to act as a sealer for any top finish I want to put on rather it be waterborne or something else.

See this for a shellac cutting table: “http://www.finewoodworking.com/Materials/MaterialsArticle.aspx?id=28833”

So far it is not bad and works well with General Finish Dye stain but suggest you try on scrape to test your color and adjust (thin to lighten or add more color for darker).

This is essentially the same process that Charles Neil uses with his Blotch Control.

-- Respectfully, Paul

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