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01-03-2018 02:11 PM

In a recent search for some rough 8/4 fir I was told that the price was $6.89/board foot and that the price for 4/4 was $5.50/bf. This did not make sense to me. Can anyone explain to me why this would be.

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#1 posted 01-03-2018 02:23 PM

Uhh, because it’s twice as thick? 8/4 = 2” thick. 4/4 = 1” thick.

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#2 posted 01-03-2018 02:32 PM

I’m with you. Seems high for rough fir.

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#3 posted 01-03-2018 02:36 PM

I can understand why the price would be more expensive for thicker wood if it was being priced by the linear foot but that doesn’t explain the significant difference in the board foot price

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#4 posted 01-03-2018 02:37 PM

It’s yield from a log. Harder to get 2” thick boards in a given grade than 1”. There are also volume effects; most sales are 4/4.

mpounders: he is quoting board feet, which takes into account thickness. A 12×12 x 1 board is one board foot. A 12×12 x 2 board is 2 board feet. If the price per board foot was constant, the 12×12 x 2 would cost twice as much as the 12×12 x 1, but as the OP says, he is being charged 6.89 per BF for 8/4 and 5.50 for 4/4. So his cost of a 12×12 x 1 is $5.50, but a 12×12 x 2 board would cost him $13.78 and not $11

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#5 posted 01-03-2018 02:40 PM

I’ve always figured it was because of what brtech said plus longer drying time. My lumber guy charges the same regardless of thickness, but that is unusual. I’m also buying green so there is no drying time difference for him. There is for me, though. :)

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#6 posted 01-03-2018 02:48 PM

I think its a combination of longer drying time, fewer boards in kiln, demand.

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#7 posted 01-03-2018 03:01 PM

Becasue wood comes from trees. Shape, not just volume, affects price. Same reason Ten one carat diamonds is a lot cheaper than one ten carat diamond.

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#8 posted 01-03-2018 03:20 PM

The two inch is taken out of the center of the log, if you are cutting 2 inch you get allot of 1 inch getting down to the core. The longer drying time is of course a factor to. draw a circle and then draw a square in the center away from the sapwood, all that side lumber will be 1 inch.of varing widths It is also a cheaper grade. I wanted some good black walnut at a local store, and most of it was just junk, from side lumber, knot and part sap wood. They buy it as it is cost effective I quess. Clear center wood would be more expensive,

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#9 posted 01-03-2018 03:20 PM

ted78 if the price of diamonds was determined by the carat price, lets say $2.00/carat then 10 one carat diamonds would cost $20.00 and one 10 carat diamond would cost $20.00. Obviously there are other factors involved however wood is not the same as diamonds and the large difference in the price is not justified

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#10 posted 01-03-2018 03:43 PM


ted78 if the price of diamonds was determined by the carat price, lets say $2.00/carat then 10 one carat diamonds would cost $20.00 and one 10 carat diamond would cost $20.00. Obviously there are other factors involved however wood is not the same as diamonds and the large difference in the price is not justified.

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#11 posted 01-03-2018 03:46 PM

...says you…

What the hell is that supposed to mean

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#12 posted 01-03-2018 03:56 PM

Generally, it is the case that 8/4 prices are higher than 4/4 prices for many of the reasons mentioned.

It is NOT ALWAYS the case. Sometime 8/4 is LESS expensive.
Don’t forget market forces in play (Supply vs Demand).

This can affect prices as much as any other factor.

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#13 posted 01-03-2018 04:09 PM

I see the same thing here for white oak. About $5.50 bf for 4/4 and nearly $10/bf for 8/4.
Other species have a similar markup, but usually about 10%-20%, not the 100% I see for the WO.

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#14 posted 01-03-2018 04:31 PM


...says you…

What the hell is that supposed to mean

- americancanuck

It means of you don’t like the price then don’t buy it. Shop around. It also means that because it’s one, 8/4 board that the associated costs to mill it are higher, thus the higher price, and that just because you think it should be cheaper that it doesn’t mean that it’s going to be.

FYI you totally missed the diamond comparison.

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#15 posted 01-03-2018 04:32 PM

Double post.

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