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Forum topic by Jim Dawson posted 12-18-2017 02:34 AM 1126 views 0 times favorited 17 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Jim Dawson

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12-18-2017 02:34 AM

I’m doing a project for my daughter-in-law, a combination dog crate/laundry folding table. She wants it a particular Benjamin Moore white color and insists that Advance is the way to go. I’m going to spray it with a Fiji 2 stage HVLP system. Can I thin the Advance with water enough to spray it without changing the properties of the paint. I’m old but new to spraying finishes except for poly.

Thanks for any advice.


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#1 posted 12-18-2017 07:51 AM

Seriously these types of questions are best asked of the manufacturer. They know their product better than anyone and have a vested interest in your success with it.

-- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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#2 posted 12-18-2017 11:36 AM

Seriously, sorry to have wasted your time.


Seriously these types of questions are best asked of the manufacturer. They know their product better than anyone and have a vested interest in your success with it.

- Rick_M


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#3 posted 12-18-2017 11:54 AM

Waterborne finishes can’t thinned on whim like oil based ones. Too much water (thinner) and you screw up the more complicated chemistry they have so it’s best to not exceed what the label says for thinning. That aside, I’ve not used Advance, though I’ve read very good things about it as a finish. Those comments usually come with cautions about how hard it is to spray, even with a 4 stage unit. So be sure to try it out before you commit to the table. Let us know how it goes as well.

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#4 posted 12-18-2017 12:19 PM

Thanks for the info. I’m going to give it a try on some scrap today. It may be too much for this 2 stage turbine. I guess if it doesn’t work out I’ll have to brush or roll it.


Waterborne finishes can t thinned on whim like oil based ones. Too much water (thinner) and you screw up the more complicated chemistry they have so it s best to not exceed what the label says for thinning. That aside, I ve not used Advance, though I ve read very good things about it as a finish. Those comments usually come with cautions about how hard it is to spray, even with a 4 stage unit. So be sure to try it out before you commit to the table. Let us know how it goes as well.

- Fred Hargis


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#5 posted 12-20-2017 02:31 AM

I’ve used the Sherwin Williams version (ProClassic). It’s also an Acrylic Alkyd. I thinned it a bit with water and sprayed it with my budget HVLP (Wagner Control Spray Max). It sprayed beautifully.

-- Joe | Spartanburg, SC | "To give anything less than your best is to sacrafice the gift." - Steve Prefontaine

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#6 posted 12-20-2017 03:23 AM

Thanks, that’s encouraging. I’m getting close to trying it.

Jim


I ve used the Sherwin Williams version (ProClassic). It s also an Acrylic Alkyd. I thinned it a bit with water and sprayed it with my budget HVLP (Wagner Control Spray Max). It sprayed beautifully.

- SuperCubber


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#7 posted 12-20-2017 02:10 PM


I ve used the Sherwin Williams version (ProClassic). It s also an Acrylic Alkyd. I thinned it a bit with water and sprayed it with my budget HVLP (Wagner Control Spray Max). It sprayed beautifully.

- SuperCubber

Did a job about a year ago and used the same product. I used a LVLP setup with my portable air compressor. After a few tweaks and thinning of the paint, mine worked great, as well.

Jim, it often helps to go to Amazon and read a few reviews about your sprayer. A lot of times buyers will post technical info about products, and experiences they’ve had. I read something the other day about your exact question, but this was on a Fuji Q4, I believe the viscosity was between 30-45 seconds, using the cup. I think the guy said 45 seconds was the better setup.

Pay no mind to the first poster….perhaps he has a case of the bah-humbugs. To me, that’s what this forum site is designed for. For people to ask such questions as yours and maybe somewhere, somebody has run into the same problem. While that wasn’t bad advice on his part, I tend to disseminate posts and make the ultimate decisions, myself.

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#8 posted 12-20-2017 03:57 PM

Great idea with the Amazon reviews. The first one I read the guy was using the exact combination I am, Fuji Semi Pro2 and BM Advance.

Thanks,
Jim

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#9 posted 12-20-2017 04:42 PM


Great idea with the Amazon reviews. The first one I read the guy was using the exact combination I am, Fuji Semi Pro2 and BM Advance.

Thanks,
Jim

- Jim Dawson

I knew I had read it, somewhere. I’ve been eyeballing a Fuji setup for my business(can’t decide on a 2-stage or going all in with a 4-stage), and I tend to be a bit anal-retentive about it. I read reviews for pertinent info.

When you get the job finished, post back here(or privately) your tips and final outcome. I’d like to hear it.

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#10 posted 12-20-2017 05:22 PM

If I were to do it again, I probably would get the 4 stage but being new to this, I didn’t really know the performance difference. I will post my results, unless they are terrible, in which case I’ll let you know privately. :)

Great idea with the Amazon reviews. The first one I read the guy was using the exact combination I am, Fuji Semi Pro2 and BM Advance.

Thanks,
Jim

- Jim Dawson

I knew I had read it, somewhere. I ve been eyeballing a Fuji setup for my business(can t decide on a 2-stage or going all in with a 4-stage), and I tend to be a bit anal-retentive about it. I read reviews for pertinent info.

When you get the job finished, post back here(or privately) your tips and final outcome. I d like to hear it.

- 01ntrain


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#11 posted 12-23-2017 04:52 AM

Well, I sprayed a quart of Advance with the Fuji SemiPro 2 today and it worked really well. I thinned it about 9% with distilled water and used a 1.8 needle. It appeared to be pretty rough at first but shortly leveled out really nice.

Thanks for everyone’s advice and suggestions.

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#12 posted 12-23-2017 07:13 AM



Well, I sprayed a quart of Advance with the Fuji SemiPro 2 today and it worked really well. I thinned it about 9% with distilled water and used a 1.8 needle. It appeared to be pretty rough at first but shortly leveled out really nice.

Thanks for everyone s advice and suggestions.

- Jim Dawson


A bit late but I’ve had good results with advance thined 10% using a 4 stage fugi and a 1.5 cap. My only issue is the curing time of advance is rather long.

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#13 posted 12-23-2017 12:11 PM

Great to hear! Thanks.

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#14 posted 12-23-2017 08:34 PM


Well, I sprayed a quart of Advance with the Fuji SemiPro 2 today and it worked really well. I thinned it about 9% with distilled water and used a 1.8 needle. It appeared to be pretty rough at first but shortly leveled out really nice.

Thanks for everyone s advice and suggestions.

- Jim Dawson

you may want to keep a note of the thinning ratios as that can change the shade a bit.in case there needs to be a touchup in tbe future.

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#15 posted 12-23-2017 11:55 PM

Good idea and I have the notes already.
Thanks,
Jim

Well, I sprayed a quart of Advance with the Fuji SemiPro 2 today and it worked really well. I thinned it about 9% with distilled water and used a 1.8 needle. It appeared to be pretty rough at first but shortly leveled out really nice.

Thanks for everyone s advice and suggestions.

- Jim Dawson

you may want to keep a note of the thinning ratios as that can change the shade a bit.in case there needs to be a touchup in tbe future.

- tomsteve


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