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gdiddy13

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12-12-2017 08:01 PM

I have been building things here and there for just a couple years. This past year my go-to has been cutting boards, as I have now sold roughly $2k worth, and it’s going pretty well, and I’m enjoying (for the most part) and keeping in mind why I started doing it etc.

Anyways, I really believe that my next tool purchase is a jointer. I think it will help me to be more effective not only making cutting boards but just about anything.

So I need some help on where to start.

Important info:

Limited space, so I may need something I can build a rolling base for.

I don’t believe I need anything wider than 6”, and I don’t think I’d be using boards longer than 6’.

I work mostly with hardwoods if that matters.

My budget is probably $500 max?

Any info, suggestions or ideas would be greatly appreciated!


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#1 posted 12-12-2017 08:29 PM

There’s little to nothing in the way of new jointers that fit your budget and requirements. There are a few benchtop models, but they’re pretty chincy. The possible exception is the Cutech jointer, which is supposedly decent.

You can definitely find a good 6” jointer on the used market for a lot less than $500, and anything can be put on a mobile base. Look for a longer bed Craftsman, Delta, Jet, Grizzly, or generic import jointer. You should expect to pay anywhere from $150-$300, depending on condition. Ultimately, all cast iron jointers are pretty similar, so don’t be sucked in by some overpriced 20-year-old Powermatic 6” that someone wants to sell for $500.

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#2 posted 12-13-2017 05:36 AM

Bigger is better but if space is limited a benchtop model can actually work pretty well. I bought a Porter Cable bench top jointer off of Craigslist for about $125 and it has handled everything I’ve thrown at it. I had to put some new knives on it but I have used it to mill some rock hard hickory from a dead tree and it left a finish like glass. If you are going to use it frequently, that might not be the way to go but if you can find one cheap, you can probably sell it for what you paid for it when you are ready to upgrade.

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#3 posted 12-13-2017 05:43 AM

I’m not that picky. Most any used 6”
jointer will do, though some have longer
beds and there’s some variation in fence
designs that can be a factor if you need
to move the fence a lot. For most work
you won’t.

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#4 posted 12-13-2017 05:43 AM


There s little to nothing in the way of new jointers that fit your budget and requirements. There are a few benchtop models, but they re pretty chincy. The possible exception is the Cutech jointer, which is supposedly decent.

You can definitely find a good 6” jointer on the used market for a lot less than $500, and anything can be put on a mobile base. Look for a longer bed Craftsman, Delta, Jet, Grizzly, or generic import jointer. You should expect to pay anywhere from $150-$300, depending on condition. Ultimately, all cast iron jointers are pretty similar, so don t be sucked in by some overpriced 20-year-old Powermatic 6” that someone wants to sell for $500.

- jonah


Good advice but…....I’d be looking at an 8”.

That being said, a 6” would be fine if you are make small projects like your cutting boards. If you expand to larger project I think you better with some wider than 6”. I have went through 4 jointer over time, each one wider. Now up to 16’’ wide and loving it.

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#5 posted 12-13-2017 12:04 PM

I agree that 8” is a much better size, but he’s going to have a much harder time finding an 8” jointer while staying within his budget.

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#6 posted 12-14-2017 12:13 PM

I’ve found this guy. What do you guys think? https://cleveland.craigslist.org/tls/6393187530.html

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#7 posted 12-14-2017 12:22 PM

here's a Steelex- (made by the same factory that does grizzly and shopfox) for $661.25 shipped. its an off brand. but its new and basically the same machine that grizzly and shopfox sell for a whole lot less.

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#8 posted 12-14-2017 12:44 PM

I just got another good joiner. I was out of woodworking for a while and previously had a 6” Grizzly. It did everything I needed it to do. I wasn’t really working with long boards back then. My new one has a much longer table and I am glad it does because I have had to use it on some longer stuff. You really need a longer table if at all possible. Hold off until you have the cabbage to get it. If you need to make long boards straight you will absolutely need a long table or you could end up wasting a lot of wood. Even with boards that are not so long, it sure makes it easy.
I am not sure why or what you guys are doing to need a wider than 6” joiner…..whatever it is, I haven’t had to do it yet and I am 56 years old. Don’t get me wrong, I am happy that all you guys have the joiner you want. I just cant figure out what it is that you are doing with the thing. I have never had a board in my hand or a project in my shop yet that I had to stop and abort for lack of a larger than six inch joiner. I mean, are you guys using it as a planer or what?? Building life size wooden battleship replicas…what??

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jonah

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#9 posted 12-14-2017 12:56 PM

Lots of lumber turns out to be between six and eight inches wide. In order to joint the face of such a board, you need a 8” or wider jointer.

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#10 posted 12-14-2017 04:24 PM

I recently made the jump to a new 8” Steelex jointer from a craigslist-purchased 6” Delta. It really is surprising how much difference that extra 2” makes. As Jonah mentioned, a lot of the rough lumber I get is at or just over 6” wide and it definitely makes it harder to pick through boards at the lumber yard to get good, narrower boards when you can only joint up to 6”. For the projects I’ve done with the new jointer, it has also meant less waste. That said, the projects I have done are two doors and a dining table, so bigger is obviously better. I could see how a 6” or even a bench top would be more than okay for small projects like cutting boards.

The 6” Delta 37-196 I got on craigslist didn’t have too big a footprint, was on a mobile base (I think those came with one?), and had great dust collection… I think I paid $220 for it. It was plenty big enough until I started making 8-9 ft. doors! If bigger projects like that or a table are in your future, I’d hold out for the bigger jointer. Otherwise, look for a deal on a used 6” like I used to have and I think you’d be just fine.

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#11 posted 12-14-2017 06:54 PM

A jointer is a fantastic addition to your workshop. Your projects will improve immediately with the ability to flatten and square your material.

There is a ridgid jointer listed in Youngstown, oh for $375. No pic but the seller claims it is barely used so it should hopefully be in good shape. I have that jointer and have been very happy with it. The knives can be purchased for under $20/ set online. The tables are each 24” long, giving you plenty of length for small to midsize projects. It is a 120 volt machine, in case 240v is not available in your space now.

I think the price is fair but would try to get the best deal possible for yourself. I would pass if it looks too neglected, more 6” models will come up in that price range.

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joey502

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#12 posted 12-14-2017 06:57 PM

You should able to recoup most if not all of the cost down the road if you decide to move up to a bigger machine.

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#13 posted 12-14-2017 08:36 PM



Lots of lumber turns out to be between six and eight inches wide. In order to joint the face of such a board, you need a 8” or wider jointer.

- jonah

Agreed that this is necessary to do it conveniently (I’d certainly have an 8” if it had been in the budget), but there are work arounds.

My first attempt to work around the width limitation was a planer sled based off of the FWW design. This thing was heavy, cumbersome, and a PITA to setup. I’d skip this if at all possible.

My current solution comes from (I think) Jay Bates. I use a fixed platform made from melamine on the bed of my planer about 6-7” wide. I then run the wider board over my jointer a few passes, which leaves a noticeable lip. This lip gets butted up against the edge of that platform, and the planer flattens the opposite side. You can then flip it to remove the lip and plane to final thickness.

Warning if using this method, though: you do generally have to remove more material from the board in order to flatten and plane it. If it is severly twisted, or insufficiently thick, you could have problems getting the desired final thickness.

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#14 posted 12-14-2017 09:16 PM



Bigger is better but if space is limited a benchtop model can actually work pretty well. I bought a Porter Cable bench top jointer off of Craigslist for about $125 and it has handled everything I ve thrown at it. I had to put some new knives on it but I have used it to mill some rock hard hickory from a dead tree and it left a finish like glass. If you are going to use it frequently, that might not be the way to go but if you can find one cheap, you can probably sell it for what you paid for it when you are ready to upgrade.

- Lazyman

Did you buy mine? I hated the thing, sold it on craigslist and bought one the G0813. Much happier now.

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#15 posted 12-14-2017 09:29 PM

it took some searching, but I recently found this one, used, for $350 including the mobile base. I’d been looking for a while & can say that around here at least, 6” are about 100x more common than 8” on craigslist.

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