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triskal

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12-12-2017 02:23 PM

Topic tags/keywords: chisel honing guide

I have been woodworking for a number of years on and off but want to learn better hand tool techniques. I have this set of Craftsman chisels that I have had for a while and never sharpened. I bought one of those cheap honing guides and tweaked it per this FWW video – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBHd7x6ySSQ\

However when i try to put one of my chisels in the guide I cannot get it to fit properly. The sides of the chisels are perfectly perpendicular to the bottom and they will not sit nicely in the angled slots intended for chisels. I can easily dislodge the chisel by just a very slight twise of the handle. I don’t understand what I did wrong. Are these chisels shaped oddly? I peeked a several at different stories and they all seem to have the same type of sides.

Here are some pics
https://flic.kr/s/aHskyEBZfF


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#1 posted 12-12-2017 05:21 PM

I’ve never used a guide like this. I use one of these that grips the chisel on the top and bottom.

I guess you could alter the guide so that the sides that grip the chisel are closer to square. I wonder if you can put something around the chisel or attach to the guide that will help grip the chisel like adhesive backed sandpaper or a thin rubber mat or something like this

Whatever you do, the chisel must be solidly attached to the guide so that it doesn’t shift while sharpening.

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#2 posted 12-12-2017 05:38 PM

I don’t think the guide you have (often called the “Eclipse” honing guide after the original design) won’t properly hold chisels with wide sides. I have the same style honing guide, and although it works great with most of my chisels and plane blades, it won’t work with my mortise chisels and some of my Japanese chisels for the same reason it won’t work on your chisels.

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#3 posted 12-12-2017 05:50 PM

The chisels are shaped oddly, yes.

Your chisels are more like firmer chisels than
the bevel edge style chisels the guide is made for.

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#4 posted 12-12-2017 06:01 PM

Those are construction grade chisels. Designed for construction carpentry rather than fine woodworking, thicker sides to take the abuse of that kind of work. The honing guide however is designed for cabinet grade chisels. I doubt many construction carpenters use a honing guide to sharpen their chisels.

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Manitario

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#5 posted 12-12-2017 07:19 PM


I doubt many construction carpenters use a honing guide to sharpen their chisels.

- bondogaposis


Lol!!

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triskal

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#6 posted 12-12-2017 07:30 PM


Those are construction grade chisels. Designed for construction carpentry rather than fine woodworking…

- bondogaposis

This probably explains most of it. I don’t think Sears was known for precision woodworking tools. They do/did cater to the tradesman and mechanic more (source: i used to work there in a previous life)

I have heard good things about the Aldi chisels for the price but I have not seen them in the stores for a while. I am very frugal so tweaking a cheap guide is right up my alley. I am sure Veritas is excellent but at 5 times the cost I wanted to start cheaper and assumed a FWW recommendation was not a bad one to follow – which I still do, with the right chisels.

I think i wil try to modify the guide some more and see what I come up with.

thanks all

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#7 posted 12-12-2017 08:29 PM

I messed up a few tools with those honing guides before I switched to freehand honing. Way much better.

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#8 posted 12-13-2017 05:28 AM

I had one of those guides and couldn’t get it to hold anything correctly so I sold it at a garage sale. You might be better off making a guide out of wood that clamps from the top instead of the sides. There are several designs out there but John Heisz has a couple that look to be pretty easy to make here. You can buy the plans from him but it would probably be pretty easy figure out how to make one yourself by just reading through his description and watching his build video.

Another option is to learn how to do it freehand. Paul Sellers’ YouTube channel has good videos on freehand sharpening. It takes some practice but his instructions will help you get good at it quickly.

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#9 posted 12-13-2017 07:34 AM

Lei Nelson makes a guide that clamps top to bottom.
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#10 posted 12-13-2017 12:11 PM

My original chisels were Craftsman “construction-grade,” which is to say bulky bricks that the purists like to sniff at and roll their self-righteous eyes. But think about it: not everyone is born into a family of woodworker’s, has money to burn, or is a fan-boy of /BFF with Rob Cosman or another celeb. Everyone, hobbyists especially, must start from somewhere and sometimes that means Sears and inelegant chisels. I say use what you can find and afford, and if the day comes that one finds construction-grade lacking then and only then do you drop crazy money for a single toolor a kking’s ransom for a set.

The Veritas MK II changed my life. It was more than double the cost of those Craftsman chisels but it brought consistency and scary-sharp edges where before there was none.

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#11 posted 12-13-2017 01:32 PM

Hand sharpen for now. Dull chisels don’t work well.

Feel for the burr on the coarse. Then feel the burr disappear and you some of work your way to honing. The strop.

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#12 posted 12-13-2017 02:03 PM

I have an Eclipse-style guide that has been nice for plane blades since I modified it. But I’ve never been happy with it for chisels. Luckily, I think chisels are easier to sharpen by hand than plane irons.

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#13 posted 12-13-2017 02:08 PM

Welcome to Ljs, take a look at this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0BzReseHwU&t=1s

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#14 posted 12-13-2017 02:26 PM


I have an Eclipse-style guide that has been nice for plane blades since I modified it. But I ve never been happy with it for chisels. Luckily, I think chisels are easier to sharpen by hand than plane irons.

- Mr_Pink


No difference. In fact as chisels are narrower it is a bit harder to keep even pressure on bith sudes than with plane irons.

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Carloz

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#15 posted 12-13-2017 02:32 PM

While there are too many snobs on these forums I believe you got a response that these are construction chisels simply to tell you why they did not fit in the guide.
In these days many chisels are made from good material that matters most. The “celebrity brand” chisels are simply better made but thats something you can fix. Take this set from HF and make the “celebrity” chisels out if them. It will cost you $8

https://m.harborfreight.com/wood-chisel-set-6-pc-62641.html?utm_referrer=direct%2Fnot%20provided


My original chisels were Craftsman “construction-grade,” which is to say bulky bricks that the purists like to sniff at and roll their self-righteous eyes. But think about it: not everyone is born into a family of woodworker s, has money to burn, or is a fan-boy of /BFF with Rob Cosman or another celeb. Everyone, hobbyists especially, must start from somewhere and sometimes that means Sears and inelegant chisels. I say use what you can find and afford, and if the day comes that one finds construction-grade lacking then and only then do you drop crazy money for a single toolor a kking s ransom for a set.

The Veritas MK II changed my life. It was more than double the cost of those Craftsman chisels but it brought consistency and scary-sharp edges where before there was none.

- fuigb

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