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Forum topic by richardchaos posted 12-11-2017 05:14 PM 973 views 0 times favorited 15 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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richardchaos

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12-11-2017 05:14 PM

I AM POSTING THIS BECAUSE IT’S NEWS TO ME!

I am getting ready to replace the radiator in my 2002 Chevy S-10. I went online to figure out what the Fluid Capacity was for the antifreeze.

Almost immediately I read warnings to NEVER PUT GMAC DEX-COOL in anything. It will destroy any engine it’s put in…

HUMM/ Never heard that before… BUT it seems to be true. So much so that *On October 23, 2008, the California Superior Court granted final approval to the class action settlement reached with General Motors in the GM/Dex-Cool class action lawsuit.

The lawsuits were filed on behalf of owners of General Motors vehicles, which were factory-filled with “Dex-Cool” coolant. In summary, the lawsuits alleged that Dex-Cool degraded certain vehicles’ intake manifold gaskets and other engine sealability components, and that in certain other vehicles, Dex-Cool formed a rusty sludge, clogging the vehicles’ cooling systems and causing vehicles to overheat.

The settlement, which covers dozens of GM vehicle platforms spanning ten model years, provides $50 to $800 in cash reimbursement for class members who paid for a covered repair by May 30, 2008, and submitted a claim form by October 27, 2008.

LINK https://www.girardgibbs.com/dexcool/

GMAC SETTLED but went into bankruptcy protection from all the LAW SUITES germane to DEX-COOL Nightmares..

Then seeking more info I drove to there different shops and ask about it. Everyone of them said they will not under any circumstances put DEX-COOL in anyone engine even if they demand it.

The last one i went to had a Intake manifold off an engine and showed me the Crap DEX-COOL had down to that engine. The intake gasket eroded away and the ports for the coolants were almost block off with a rom like ORANGE build up.

What makes this even sicker is GMAC still pushes DEX-COOL and FORD is moving over it it as well. AT $20 a gallon to destroy your own engine I think not!!!!

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

-- “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell


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Fresch

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#1 posted 12-11-2017 05:27 PM

Will GM use more tarp money to pay up and not pay the tarp money back, like they did last time? Look that up!

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richardchaos

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#2 posted 12-11-2017 05:41 PM

Preaching to the choir FRESCH! Preaching to the choir!
Speaking of the TARP (Banker Bail out law) Get a copy of the text of that law. Read section #119…..

After you do that set everything off your schedule for the rest of the day because you are going to be so P**D you are gunna need to have a few stiff drinks!

And yet no one word in the press


Will GM use more tarp money to pay up and not pay the tarp money back, like they did last time? Look that up!

- Fresch

-- “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell

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JollyGreen67

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#3 posted 12-11-2017 05:51 PM

Along about 1985 I worked as a service advisor in a GMC dealership. We were having problems with the computer shorting out in the front drive Pontiac STE. Looking from the front of the car, the battery was in the front right corner of the engine bay. The lead from the battery to the starter was to the side of the radiator, down and across to the engine mount, across the engine, around the and under the crank pulley to the starter. Come to find out the battery lead was rubbing on the engine mount, rubbing the insulation off and shorting out the computer. I called the GM Tech line and relayed the problem. Their response, “We build them, you fix them”. Never bought a GM since.

-- When I was a kid I wanted to be older . . . . . this CRAP is not what I expected ! RIP 09/08/2018

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DrDirt

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#4 posted 12-12-2017 10:22 PM

Heard that there were no more problems post 2005 or 6….. suppose they made a ‘running change’ to the gaskets used at the motor plant.

Also thought that many problems were from people adding green Prestone to the pink.

Had an 02 Suburban until last year – - was still on its original fill of dexcool, with 240K miles when I sold it for $4K.
never had an issue.

Only problem with that vehicle is the AC compresser took a dump at ~180K miles.
Stay away from NAPA Cold Power Compressors. Went through 3 under warrantee in 3 months.
Thne was OK for a couple years, crapped again, and got a GM compressor done at the ‘Stealership’ and drove a year before selling.
Have a 2016 Expedition, which is Dexcool now.

-- “The two most important days in your life are the day you are born and the day you find out why.” Mark Twain

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MrUnix

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#5 posted 12-12-2017 10:28 PM

What he sez ^^^^ Ain’t a problem. There were problems initially, but they have been worked out. Been running Dex-cool in my ‘02 Silverado since I bought it. Not a problem.

Cheers,
Brad

PS: The only thing I’ve had go bad on it is the A/C compressor as well… at about 120K.

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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#6 posted 12-12-2017 11:31 PM

Our 2002 Impala was a nightmare. New head gasket at 55K. New head gasket needed at 110K (55K + 55K). At that point it limped into the Honda dealership with all sorts of bells, buzzers and red lights flashing and screaming. Now our mechanic really misses us.

-- “Big man, pig man, ha ha, charade you are.” ― R. Waters

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richardchaos

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#7 posted 12-12-2017 11:42 PM

Well now I had a pre 2002 S-10 with a l 4 in it and it blow a head gasket at around 90k Dumped all the DEX-COOL into the crank case. Ran with that for 200 miles! Total destroyed the engine.

The Blocks are made of steel and the heads are made of aluminum… So that’s one problem then you add a coolant that many say is corrosive Well do the math yourself

-- “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell

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richardchaos

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#8 posted 12-12-2017 11:48 PM

Trust me this old 2002 S-10 was and will be my last GMAC vehicle! My Step uncle has worked for GM since he got out of collage since the late 70s. I use to give him grief all the time that he better learn to speak Mandarin Chinese because that is where GMAC is going to move to. Back then he called a crazy Conspiracy nut. He told me they had all been promised many times by corporate that GMAC would never leave the US!!.

We all now let him order our Chinese food when he cames back to the states for Christmas from Singapore….

And his Over bearing bible thumping better than all of you Christian wife, my aunt.. They don’t care much for her SOAP box Christian harangues over there…...

-- “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell

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#9 posted 12-13-2017 12:28 AM



Well now I had a pre 2002 S-10 with a l 4 in it and it blow a head gasket at around 90k Dumped all the DEX-COOL into the crank case. Ran with that for 200 miles! Total destroyed the engine.

The Blocks are made of steel and the heads are made of aluminum… So that s one problem then you add a coolant that many say is corrosive Well do the math yourself

- richardchaos

Exactly! The steel/aluminum combination and the wacky coolant is what our mechanic said he saw over and over again in GMs as the cause of major engine failures.

-- “Big man, pig man, ha ha, charade you are.” ― R. Waters

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richardchaos

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#10 posted 12-13-2017 12:32 AM

YUP Now I am scared to dumping out the DEX-COOL and going green

Well now I had a pre 2002 S-10 with a l 4 in it and it blow a head gasket at around 90k Dumped all the DEX-COOL into the crank case. Ran with that for 200 miles! Total destroyed the engine.

The Blocks are made of steel and the heads are made of aluminum… So that s one problem then you add a coolant that many say is corrosive Well do the math yourself

- richardchaos

Exactly! The steel/aluminum combination and the wacky coolant is what our mechanic said he saw over and over again in GMs as the cause of major engine failures.

- ChuckV


-- “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell

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Knockonit

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#11 posted 12-13-2017 12:35 AM

I”ve 7 silverados, from 2003 thru 2007, all 6 cylinders, autos ect. been running the cheebie goods since day one, no issues, most trucks have over 130 k on them, i tend to take very good care, as they are tools that make money, so to speak.
like anything else, maintenance and care they will roll till 250 k plus before a major work required.

my 07 cheebie diesel has 150 k on it, and going strong, love me some duramax.

good luck with it.
Rj

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woodbutcherbynight

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#12 posted 12-13-2017 02:31 AM

Green pink or any other color unless marked DEXCOOL are all the same coolant. So why?
ETHYLENE GLYCOL is a colorless, odorless, viscous dihydroxy alcohol. It has a sweet taste, but is poisonous if ingested. Green was the go to color for many years probably to stand out from oil, trans fluid or power steering fluid.

GM has 3.1 and 3.4 engines that for years have had issues with crappy intake gaskets. End result was coolant leaking into crankcase and mixing into a nice gravy color making the oil much thinner and in some cases killing the engine. Mostly you get a warning light for low coolant and have it looked at. It is found and you get it fixed normally no further issues. Updated quality steel gaskets can be used, if requested or in some cases as a matter of policy for the shop / company.

Periodic flushing of the coolant system or even at the least draining the radiator and adding fresh will suffice to keep most going. No matter what you do though some issues are just poor design.

Just because it says it will last 100K does not mean you really need to go that far before being proactive. Tires have wear bars, just because I have 1/32 to go before the wear bar is touching doesn’t mean I really want to tempt fate.

-- Live to tell the stories, they sound better that way.

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TheFridge

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#13 posted 12-13-2017 05:18 PM

You sure do have a lot of rants rich.

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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richardchaos

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#14 posted 12-13-2017 05:31 PM



Green pink or any other color unless marked DEXCOOL are all the same coolant. So why?
ETHYLENE GLYCOL is a colorless, odorless, viscous dihydroxy alcohol. It has a sweet taste, but is poisonous if ingested. Green was the go to color for many years probably to stand out from oil, trans fluid or power steering fluid.

GM has 3.1 and 3.4 engines that for years have had issues with crappy intake gaskets. End result was coolant leaking into crankcase and mixing into a nice gravy color making the oil much thinner and in some cases killing the engine. Mostly you get a warning light for low coolant and have it looked at. It is found and you get it fixed normally no further issues. Updated quality steel gaskets can be used, if requested or in some cases as a matter of policy for the shop / company.

Periodic flushing of the coolant system or even at the least draining the radiator and adding fresh will suffice to keep most going. No matter what you do though some issues are just poor design.

Just because it says it will last 100K does not mean you really need to go that far before being proactive. Tires have wear bars, just because I have 1/32 to go before the wear bar is touching doesn t mean I really want to tempt fate.

- woodbutcherbynight

Yes they are all the same UNLESS MARKED DE-COOL. After diving into this even deeper DEX-COOL is suppose to have an organic acid in it that GM say keeps the Oil rings gaskets and seal pliable and soft…. BUT obviously it doesn’t and effect mate other components in a negative fashion. HUM? ACID (plus) ALUMINUM???? You do the math!

They settled a class action suit just for those reasons in 2008, and filed bankruptcy protection soon after that.

That is even more infuriating FORD and others are going DEX-COOL! Like Ford doesn’t have enough CRAP they are selling to people. Again I bought a new Ford Focus that is the target of class actions suits left and right over this transmission THAT doesn’t work and never did work! BUT they are still screwing them into their cars. NOW onto of that they are going to pour DEX-COOL all over that!

Cell phone explode in your pocket. The cars burst into flames….New Aircraft carriers cant even launch aircraft…. Sort of sound alike the wheels are falling off the entire circus if you ask me… I think this is exactly how ROME went out. Its all fell apart

It’s all corrupt! It’s all crap! None of this sheet even works and yet no one give a damn.

Go read the reviews on ANYTHING from amazon 25% to 50% say when they got their stuff it didn’t even work

-- “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell

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richardchaos

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#15 posted 12-13-2017 05:32 PM

I am sorry sir I am unaware of that term or name


You sure do have a lot of rants rich.

- TheFridge

-- “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell

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