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03-05-2011 04:39 AM

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I need to make a approximate 13 in. tall 25 in wide 22 deep box out of plywood. Inside the box will be two drawers (Full extension Slides). Inside of the drawer needs to be 23+ in (3 rows of CD’s)wide. Customer will paint it but i want to make sure the plywood edges of the box will be hide. So I am wondering how to mask them (Edging / miter / miter router bit). Need suggestions.

Next I’m still trying to figure ways to make it cheaper without sacrificing appeal. (Has to be ply or hardwood) I can’t see me making it under 150 to 160 dollars without just giving it to him for just cost of material.

Here is his drawing and my quote. Go ahead and hit me guys how can I do this better.

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lew

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#1 posted 03-05-2011 05:02 PM

I’d change suppliers for the drawer slides-

http://www.cshardware.com/IWProducts.m4p.pvx?;productsno_tree?cat=4031112

Using the edge banding is an economical way to conceal the edges.

-- Lew- Time traveler. Purveyor of the Universe's finest custom rolling pins.

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#2 posted 03-05-2011 06:06 PM

Yea I found them cheaper too. About $12. But after shipping and handling I was shot again. He gave me the go to make the cabinet. Now I’m trying to find a way to reduce the cost of the material. By the way your link goes to a login in window and will not load up quickly so it times out. Thanks for trying

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#3 posted 03-06-2011 01:09 AM

I would suggest upping your hourly rates to min $30 an hour.

Try this and see what you come up with.

http://bridgewooddesign.com/estimator/index.htm

-- New Auburn,WI

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#4 posted 03-06-2011 04:22 AM

Sorry about the link- try this http://www.cshardware.com/

Not sure where you’re located but I just got 2 sets of 18” full extension, 100 lbs, mounting brackets front and back plus screws for $7 and change- for shipping.

-- Lew- Time traveler. Purveyor of the Universe's finest custom rolling pins.

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#5 posted 03-06-2011 04:59 AM

Need 20inch and I want to know where you get them $7.00 slides. Is that a pair or just one. I found some today for 14.58.

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#6 posted 03-06-2011 06:13 AM

I don’t see you really reducing your cost by much, is 4 or 5 dollars going to make or break the project. Does the customer not have the cash or is this just you trying to make it cheep as possible. 150 bones seems like a good price to me. I can’t stand making anything with ply, can’t you find some cheep hardwood to make it out of. I am sure I could find some descent hardwood for the price of the ply. PC Maple, Alder, even some Cedar would look 100xs better than ply and you don’t have to hide the edge. Just my .02 cents.

-- Bill - "Freedom flies in your heart like an Eagle" Audie Murphy

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#7 posted 03-06-2011 06:19 AM

Tried that. The guy almost didn’t do it, He was also alittle upset when I said I am doing it for peanuts already and could not go any lower. Sometimes I don’t call the shots. If a customer hauls a piece of ply over to your shop and says make me this do you tell him no, cause its lowes plywood. Your not going to get much business that way.

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#8 posted 03-06-2011 06:30 AM

tough spot

I would give them their money back.

-- "Good artists borrow, great artists steal”…..Picasso

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#9 posted 03-06-2011 06:38 AM

I’ve never found any “cheap hardwood”...no such thing as far as I know. Some projects are alot easier to build with ply and quicker too. You don’t have to go through all the hassle of glue-ups to make panels, etc. There are some though that just won’t do with ply….depends on the project. I assure you I can make a plywood project, and make it look just as good as any hardwood project I’ve ever built….just take a look at a couple of my projects and you’ll see what I mean.

-- " I started with nothing, and I've still got most of it left".......

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#10 posted 03-06-2011 06:45 AM

Yea I agree Rick. Lew gave a good site for me to get slides. I can get two sets for the price of one. So thats money in the pocket. I actually think it won’t take me but 3 hours to get it done though. ( I don’t count dry time for glue) I’ll sit back and have a couple while waiting.

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#11 posted 03-06-2011 07:07 AM

Let me preface this with, though I have a lot to learn, since founding my cabinet shop I have learned a lot and love being able to offer good advice. I think you are paying too much for your materials, no doubt. The price you quoted for drawer glides I could get blum tandom soft close undermounts. Look for KV true track 100 lb ball bearing. They are around 5.00 per pair for 22”. I pay 33.00 per sheet of 3/4 UV one side birch. Just a little more then you quoted for 1/2 sheet. I pay 19.00 for 1/2” Baltic 5 X 5. I pay 16.00 for full sheet of 1/4” UV one sided. You need to find a hardwood supplier, stay away from lowest, HD. Those stores are just good for occasional purchases.

Some online suppliers for glides, hardware, etc… WWW.hdlusa.com. Google “hardware resources”. Both of these are great sources.

I use face frame to hide my plywood edges. I minimize stile widths to around 1 1/4” in order to achieve a full overlay look.

Do not build cabinet boxes out of solid wood. There are plenty of good reasons not to do it this way.

Really it is very difficult to make any money building one box, but I do give everyone a bid no matter how large or small the job, the job you speak of I would have bid for 175.00 then I would have explained my pricing schedule and hoped the customer chooses someone else.

By the way, I have over time developed an Excel document that allows me to input LF, then all accessories such as drawers, doors, and a ton of other cabinet related items. As I change quantity, the total updates. Makes bids easier and very accurate.

-- Jerry Nettrour, San Antonio, www.topqualitycabinets.net

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#12 posted 03-06-2011 07:35 AM

I started that but found mine to be a bit inaccurate so I need to go in a fix the excel sheet. I like the idea of materials times two. Thanks for the info Jerry I’ll go check your sites.

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#13 posted 03-06-2011 03:05 PM

flyforfun I like the prices your paying for your sheetgoods and have given me mission to search for a better source.

I buy 99% of my hardware from hdl. flyforfun are you a hdl distributor?

-- New Auburn,WI

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#14 posted 03-06-2011 05:19 PM

another way to hide plywood edges if the pieces are to be painted is to use a mix of water and wood glue make it thin. paint it on all plywood edges it drys in half an hour when you paint the piece the edges will disappear.

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#15 posted 03-06-2011 06:02 PM

Hey Scott, I would love to be an hdl distributor, that would be cool. Lewis and company would be the main competition and they are not that great. The plywood I get is great quality, most of the cabinet shops use it in our area because of quality versus price point. I shop in San Antonio. I think if you look in the next closest major city near you there should be more lumber distributors to work with.

I think for base cabinetry around here you should get around 175 to 200 per foot, and the given dimension of 25 by 13 is about one foot.

-- Jerry Nettrour, San Antonio, www.topqualitycabinets.net

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