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Forum topic by amateur77 posted 12-08-2017 12:41 AM 1005 views 0 times favorited 17 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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amateur77

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12-08-2017 12:41 AM

I currently got a 400/1000 diamond stone, does a nice job, however now need something finer around 6000 probably before I attack it with a strop and super fine paste.
Have no idea whatsoever about all the brands for the non-diamond stones, so looking for some feedback.

I currently have my eye on the King KDS 1000/6000 Combination £37.88 from amazon, (that’s what one video suggested) , also supposedly it’s a better stone than the standard king combi.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/King-1000-Combination-Whetstone-Medium/dp/B0034YR016/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1512689819&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=king+kds

Is there anything better for around the same price or a little bit more/less ? Need something that is wide as I sharpen with a guide and my largest plane blade is 6cm wide, something the width of the king kds at 6.6cm would be spot on!


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NeophyteGrant

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#1 posted 12-08-2017 02:42 AM

I’m just getting in the sharpening game, so I can’t say from use or experience—so caveat there—but having just been in the hunt for waterstones, I wasn’t impressed by King (at least what I saw on Amazon). Another thing that seems to be worth noting is that the Kings in the lower price range at least are all about 2 inches wide—good for chisels but problematic for some wider things like plane soles. Norton seems to be a good mid-level option (also available on Amazon if you’re an Amazon junkie like me). I went in for a 4k of theirs.

Lie Nielsen attests to these stones: https://www.lie-nielsen.com/product/blade-sharpening/blade-sharpening-ohishi-waterstones-?node=4203

I bought one but haven’t used it.

-- Bucktown, Chicago, IL

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#2 posted 12-08-2017 02:42 AM

...and many of the Nortons are 3 inches, comparatively.

-- Bucktown, Chicago, IL

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#3 posted 12-08-2017 02:57 AM

My 1st water stones were the Norton 1000/8000 combo, still have them (50% left) and use them as the 8000 is a little harder than most so dose not gouge as easy. I find the high end stones tend to be quite soft so caution and experience required so as to not damage them. Yes the Lie- nielsen stones are worth the money!
I have never used a water stone on a plane sole? 220 grit sandpaper is as far as I go, use body shop self adhiviseve rolled sandpaper and just stick it onto a cast jointer table.

-- Lifting one end of the plank.

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bbasiaga

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#4 posted 12-08-2017 01:48 PM

I have a Norton 4k/8k combo. It is 3” wide, or about 7.5cm. Seems like it might be a good fit for you. I am not sure what the price would be on your side of the pond.

Brian

-- Part of engineering is to know when to put your calculator down and pick up your tools.

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#5 posted 12-08-2017 02:06 PM

Sigma 6k from toolsfromjapan

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#6 posted 12-08-2017 02:06 PM

Buy the Japanese version of the Shapton Pro 5000 stone, way cheaper and it’s the exact same stone as the US version only WAY cheaper.

-- Nick, “I am always doing what I cannot do yet, in order to learn how to do it.” – Vincent Van Gogh

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#7 posted 12-08-2017 02:10 PM



Buy the Japanese version of the Shapton Pro 5000 stone, way cheaper and it s the exact same stone as the US version only WAY cheaper.

- UpstateNYdude


Can you post a source? I’m interested.

-- Gene 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

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JRsgarage

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#8 posted 12-08-2017 02:30 PM

i’ve been using a s5000 Naniwa super stone and it does a decent job. easy and convenient but downside is that it’s permanently attached to the cheap base

-- Two is One, One is None

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Mr_Pink

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#9 posted 12-08-2017 02:41 PM

I have a King two-sided waterstone that’s wide enough for jointer plane blades. I’m sure there are better stones out there, but the stone I have was relatively cheap and never fails to sharpen a blade.

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Tim

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#10 posted 12-08-2017 04:59 PM

I got the Ohishi 3000/8000 from Lie-Nielsen because it doesn’t have to be soaked and that combination of grits appealed to me to use after a 1200 grit diamond stone. I can’t say how it compares to any other water stones but I like it. At 8”x3”. it’s a good size too.

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#11 posted 12-08-2017 05:15 PM

not sure if it helps, but I’ve found some stuff on this site -

https://www.japanwoodworker.com/categories/sharpening-stones

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retfr8flyr

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#12 posted 12-08-2017 10:11 PM

Another fan of the Sigma stones from http://www.toolsfromjapan.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=335_404_403 Great guy to work with and quality products.

-- Earl

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AUswimKC

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#13 posted 12-08-2017 11:22 PM

Skip the Shapton 5k. Has a weird feel and cuts slowly

I run with a Shapton Pro 1k. Sigma 6k. And a Shapton 12k. Some like an 8k.

ToolsForJapan used to have an awesome set. Probably still do. Three stones and a flattening stone.

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Sawdust35

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#14 posted 12-09-2017 02:39 AM

OP, I started my hand sharpening with that King combo stone. I have moved onto Shapton waterstones 1k, 5k and 8k. The shaptons require less flattening and less water when sharpening (no presoaking). If I were to start from scratch, I’d go with the shapton or the sigma stones.

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#15 posted 12-12-2017 07:53 PM

I have been using King stones up to 8000 and felt it did an ok job but felt they should still be sharper. After going to a local Lie-Nielsen hand tool event a couple weeks ago I bought a 1000 and 10k Ohishi waterstones. My little block plane has never been so sharp. And like Tim said, they don’t need to be soaked.

-- Aaron - Aspiring Craftsman

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