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arnoldra

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12-06-2017 04:33 PM

Hey all, anyone have any thoughts on the following…

Been thinking about upgrading my tablesaw, got a craftsman ‘flex-drive’ from way back, complete with sketchy fence/etc. It works, but it has its share of quirks. Been halfheartedly poking around at a nicer hobby level saw like a ridgid/low end used delta/etc. Not really looking for a cabinet saw, don’t see myself ever getting there. Regardless, the Ridgid RA4512 caught my eye as a solid saw with some pretty good reviews for the money (600 bucks at HD, plus I have a $100 gift card to cut the cost a bit).

Then on local craigslist someone is selling “seldom used” “bought new” Ridgid TS3650. I haven’t seen it, pictures are kind of crap, but looks like at minimum it would need elbow grease all over to clean it up and get the cast iron back to snuff. The owner is asking $400 and on the phone said he was ‘firm’. I don’t know how firm he is or if he has manuals/miter/etc.

I was reading old posts and lots of folks recommended (this was awhile ago) that the TS3650 was a good buy in the 300/350 range depending on extras/condition/how much you want the saw.

So I’m wondering if its worth looking at a “seldom used” used saw for $400 (assuming he won’t budge) or just look at a new model for hundred bucks more?

Or is there a saw out there I should really consider that maybe missed my eye? (budget is under 700 bucks)

Thanks for any thoughts and opinions, been a long time reader of the forum, figured I’d jump in and see what ya’ll think.


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#1 posted 12-06-2017 05:36 PM

There are pros and cons with both of those saws, but IMO the 3650 is the more desirable saw overall over the R4512. It really boils down to what’s important to you.

The 3650 is from the pre-riving knife era, so will be fitted with a splitter assembly, not a true riving knife. It’s also got the old school outboard motor that takes up more space. On the plus side, I prefer the fence on the 3650, and it has solid cast iron wings. The 3650 also has a better track record. $400 is on the high side. They might be firm on price now, but they might not be if it doesn’t sell soon. Your’re always free to make an offer you’re more comfortable with, and leave the ball in their court.

$700 doesn’t leave a lot of other great options in a new full size saw. The Grizzly hybrids are worth a look, but will bust the budget a bit. If you were to post your nearest major city, someone here might know of a great deal on a good used saw. Do you have 220v?

Good luck, and please keep us posted.

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#2 posted 12-06-2017 06:42 PM

Pass on the 3650. By all accounts it’s a nice saw but the dust collection is poor and it lacks a riving knife.

That said, I own a R4512 and like it. I’ve made a number of upgrades over the years. The first was a Delta T2 fence (big upgrade), the second was a Benchdog Cast Iron Router Table Extension (worth it), and most recently I made a custom riving knife and added the Sawstop overarm dust collection guard. I’ve had several opportunities to purchase much “nicer” saws. I almost purchased a Sawstop a couple times but I really didn’t want to part with my R4512. It moves around the shop easily. It’s smooth, accurate and quiet. Yes, the trunion shifts slightly when raising and lowering the blade. I just make sure that I keep tension on it when raising it. The mobile base is very good when the time comes to move homes I don’t have to stress about dealing with a 500 pound saw.

Were I to start from scratch again I’d consider the Grizzly G0771Z pretty seriously.

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#3 posted 12-06-2017 08:33 PM

I had a 3650 before my current Unisaw. It’s a good saw, but as mentioned, the dust collection is godawful, the fence is only okay, and the motor takes up a lot of space. On the plus side, it has real cast iron wings, not stamped steel. $400 is really high. I paid $325 for mine in what sounds like similar shape to what you’re talking about, and that was about nine years ago. I sold it a year ago for $250.

I’d save a bit of money and go with either the new Grizzly hybrid, which I think runs ~$850 shipped, or a used cabinet saw, which run anywhere from $500-$1000.

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arnoldra

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#4 posted 12-06-2017 11:29 PM

I really appreciate everyone’s thoughts and input. Always helpful when it comes to decision time.

Knotscott: I’m in between Greensboro and Burlington, NC. I do have 220 available in my shop, but not where I primarily use my tablesaw.

That Grizzy looks real good. Not sure I can go that far north of the budget, but man does that look sweet. Shipping hurts, especially since I can get the Ridgid ship to store for free and HD is ten minutes from my house.

Will do some more diggin into the internets and listen for more words of wisdom here…..

edit: (yeah, if that used saw sits on craigslist for awhile and I can nab it for under 300…different story I feel…(

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#5 posted 12-07-2017 06:53 PM

I sold my 3650 after 10 years of excellent service. I sold it for 2 reasons only. (1) I wanted a more powerful saw. (2) I wanted better dust collection. I never found any other flaws. I got $350 out of it but it looked and worked almost like new.

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#6 posted 12-07-2017 07:20 PM

I think $350 is the upper end of what I’d expect for a 3650. I sold mine to a friend so I gave him a bit of a deal. I could have gotten $300 on craigslist.

Getting a t-square fence is really a huge difference from the stock fence on the 3650. It has a tendency to go out of square with the blade periodically, and adjusting it back to square is quite finicky, much harder than just turning a little nylon set screw on a t-square fence. You have to loosen four bolts that mount the fence to the locking mechanism and then nudge it to parallel and tighten the bolts down without knocking it out of parallel. It’s more difficult than it sounds, even with some practice.

The fence difference alone makes higher end saws worth it IMO.

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arnoldra

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#7 posted 12-13-2017 10:16 PM

So I think I’ve settled on saving up a bit more and going for the Grizzy hybrid 0771Z, I think it’ll be all the saw I’ll ever need and then some, and should (hopefully) last me a very long time.

Thanks to everyone who shared thoughts and input, I really appreciate it.

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#8 posted 12-13-2017 10:25 PM

Let me tell you a few things about RIDGID TOOLS! First off… OH never mind!

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#9 posted 12-13-2017 10:27 PM

There is avery good reason why these adds say RARELY or SELDOMLY USED when talking n about RIDGID TOOLS!

STAY AWAY! from anything with the orange paint of death!


Hey all, anyone have any thoughts on the following…

Been thinking about upgrading my tablesaw, got a craftsman flex-drive from way back, complete with sketchy fence/etc. It works, but it has its share of quirks. Been halfheartedly poking around at a nicer hobby level saw like a ridgid/low end used delta/etc. Not really looking for a cabinet saw, don t see myself ever getting there. Regardless, the Ridgid RA4512 caught my eye as a solid saw with some pretty good reviews for the money (600 bucks at HD, plus I have a $100 gift card to cut the cost a bit).

Then on local craigslist someone is selling “seldom used” “bought new” Ridgid TS3650. I haven t seen it, pictures are kind of crap, but looks like at minimum it would need elbow grease all over to clean it up and get the cast iron back to snuff. The owner is asking $400 and on the phone said he was firm . I don t know how firm he is or if he has manuals/miter/etc.

I was reading old posts and lots of folks recommended (this was awhile ago) that the TS3650 was a good buy in the 300/350 range depending on extras/condition/how much you want the saw.

So I m wondering if its worth looking at a “seldom used” used saw for $400 (assuming he won t budge) or just look at a new model for hundred bucks more?

Or is there a saw out there I should really consider that maybe missed my eye? (budget is under 700 bucks)

Thanks for any thoughts and opinions, been a long time reader of the forum, figured I d jump in and see what ya ll think.

- arnoldra

-- “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell

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arnoldra

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#10 posted 12-13-2017 10:36 PM

Thanks richardchaos… lol.

Just called Grizzly, those saws are back ordered until February, I think I’ll throw down now to get on the list.

Side question, my current outfeed table is setup higher than the listed table height of the saw, but I was planning on picking up the Shop Fox mobile base for the saw. Anyone know how much higher that base sets the saw? Or if it is adjustable? Listed table height of the Grizzly is 35 3/8” tall, and if memory serves (seldom does) my outfeed table and current saw table are set at 36”. Wondering how I can make the saw setup to the outfeed table versus dismantling and re-building my outfeed table.

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#11 posted 12-14-2017 12:54 AM

Piece of advise to you or anyone that have a Ridgid TS! Never put any extra attachment onto the saw or it will collpase the mobile base. It is jus strong enough to hold up the saw. If you attach a out feed table you take the risk of damaging the saw


Thanks richardchaos… lol.

Just called Grizzly, those saws are back ordered until February, I think I ll throw down now to get on the list.

Side question, my current outfeed table is setup higher than the listed table height of the saw, but I was planning on picking up the Shop Fox mobile base for the saw. Anyone know how much higher that base sets the saw? Or if it is adjustable? Listed table height of the Grizzly is 35 3/8” tall, and if memory serves (seldom does) my outfeed table and current saw table are set at 36”. Wondering how I can make the saw setup to the outfeed table versus dismantling and re-building my outfeed table.

- arnoldra

-- “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell

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#12 posted 12-14-2017 03:15 AM

Would you mind expanding on that info a little please? How does the base fail or which part of the base will fail? I did some searching on Google about the failure and haven’t found anything on it yet. Which saw in particular also if you would please?
Mike


Piece of advise to you or anyone that have a Ridgid TS! Never put any extra attachment onto the saw or it will collpase the mobile base. It is jus strong enough to hold up the saw. If you attach a out feed table you take the risk of damaging the saw

Thanks richardchaos… lol.

Just called Grizzly, those saws are back ordered until February, I think I ll throw down now to get on the list.

Side question, my current outfeed table is setup higher than the listed table height of the saw, but I was planning on picking up the Shop Fox mobile base for the saw. Anyone know how much higher that base sets the saw? Or if it is adjustable? Listed table height of the Grizzly is 35 3/8” tall, and if memory serves (seldom does) my outfeed table and current saw table are set at 36”. Wondering how I can make the saw setup to the outfeed table versus dismantling and re-building my outfeed table.

- arnoldra

- richardchaos


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arnoldra

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#13 posted 12-14-2017 03:24 AM

Also, I don’t attach my outfeed table to my tablesaw. It is merely a stationary table I constructed to sit behind my tablesaw. Also not sure how securing the outfeed table to table saw to prevent wiggling or movement would put additional pressure onto the base?

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#14 posted 12-14-2017 05:02 AM

I attached an outfeed table and router table wing to my 3650 without a problem.

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