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Forum topic by SlimPickins posted 12-04-2017 01:00 AM 1549 views 0 times favorited 4 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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12-04-2017 01:00 AM

I just had a bizarre experience. I installed a gate using gate pins and eyelets – the 3/4” threaded shaft heavy duty hardware – pretty easy to install.

I got the hardware a couple years back from Hoover Fence Company in Ohio.

I want to be able to use socket wrenches on this gate because I want the nuts to be embedded. So far the only size socket I can find that works is 29mm (1.142”) and it’s a little tiny bit loose. Yet a 1 1/8” socket will NOT go on the nut no matter how hard I try to put it on. 1 1/8” = 1.125”. There is only about .017” difference, about 17 thou. I’m just wondering if anyone knows of a size nut that I don’t yet know of? I realize that the gate company may make custom size nuts. But this is a real pain in the neck as sockets that large are expensive. And I wanted to use a deep socket so I don’t have to washer the nut (although I don’t mind washering or sawing the bolt down to allow a shallow socket to work). Just wondering if anyone has discovered the exact size. When I look with a ruler, it looks to be 1 1/8” (the nut). I haven’t yet taken a caliper to it. Neither of my 1 1/8” sockets will work – the 29mm socket works ok – I can live with it for a while. But I’d rather a smaller socket. But I can’t easily think of a socket that’s between 1 1/8” and 29mm in size. A 1 9/64” socket would be 1.1406 (it would be tighter than 29mm by about 1 thou or so (11/10,000th). 1 5/32” is way too big. 28.5mm is too small as it’s smaller than 1 1/8”.

I’m not trying to be picky. I might just have to grind the nuts down a wee bit – I don’t mind this – just curious if anyone knows of the nominal value for these nuts. I can live with this problem but it’s a real problem as I don’t want to hollow out my sockets – they are really hard steel. I would rather grind some on the nuts. I could start with a slight bevel and see if I can get it on from there. But man, it would be foolhardy to get the sockets stuck onto the nuts – that could be a disaster.

I guess another option would be to try to find nuts that fit on that bolt diameter and thread size but have a clearer socket size that fits them. I might try hunting around for some nuts.

Somehow I’ll figure something out but stuffing the 29mm a little or just living with it’s slight looseness will have to do for now.

I would also consider some sort of adjustable socket if something like that exists. I really do want a socket though – not a wrench.

So 29mm is a little loose and 28.5mm is way tight – wow, steel doesn’t like play too much, does it? I guess a 28.75mm (1.131”) wrench might help, or some other odd size?

The specifications on the pin nuts is 1.08” but this is way too low – the eyelet nuts must be larger but their website does not list the spec on the eyelet nuts. Strange experience.

On their specifications, it says all dimensions +- .125”, but I’m sure they mean only the larger dimensions – they couldn’t be so loose in tolerance for a 1 1/8” nut, could they?

These are the eyelets I used:

Hoover Fence Company 3/4” shaft eyelets
http://www.hooverfence.com/woodfence/8251.htm

-- If a bug can't eat it, it isn't good wood


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#1 posted 12-04-2017 01:12 AM

I now realize that it might be the hot-dip galvanization. That’s probably all it is. It’s thickerer. Finally, after a day of wide-eyed astonishment, it dawns on me that they have that funny, grey color of the coating.

-- If a bug can't eat it, it isn't good wood

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#2 posted 12-04-2017 01:13 AM

I’ll have to have custom sockets made because I don’t want to grind off the zinc coating.

-- If a bug can't eat it, it isn't good wood

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#3 posted 12-04-2017 01:19 AM

I could probably use long needle-nose lock-pliers but I know one thing. I’m making the access holes larger now that I understand what the problem is. I might just have to live with the 29mm socket and be thankful that I have that size and otherwise, use pliers. Enough worry about this I guess.

-- If a bug can't eat it, it isn't good wood

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#4 posted 12-04-2017 03:35 AM

Use your 29mm and add a thin shim to the nut flats if it’s too loose.
Also, some of the new sockets that fit mm and inch with the same opening might work. They look like internal sprockets or gears instead of hex or 12 point sockets.

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