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poopiekat

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1276 days ago

I made a nonsense thread yesterday about a goofy hand plane.
Today, that thread, along with many other Lumberjock threads, has been re-posted in another website. Am I the only one who finds this reprehensible? Look here: http://woodworking.mattters.com/2011/2/27/whatizzzit-if-gillette-made-handplanes
Well, okay, this time it is still attributed to me, as a link back to Lumberjocks. There was an incident from perhaps a year ago, where some web host was lifting magazine articles, RSS feeds, and even our projects and not necessarily giving the writer credit for his own work. The practice, as I’ve found out, is called ‘scraping’.
So… can anyone explain what that site is all about, other than trying to gather hits? (Believe me, I hesitate to even post the link)....In the previous incident a year ago, most of the people who responded to my thread about possibly piracy or whatever agreed that it was unethical, to harvest interesting stuff and post it on their own website, without permission, for the purpose of generating revenue. A few others… well…I’ve heard it enough already, about how we ought to just ignore it when others steal our words and pictures, so don’t bother reminding me, okay? If you have an opinion about this nefarious practice, I’d like to hear about it.
Are you familiar with this website in the link above? Is YOUR words and pictures getting lifted from Lumberjocks and getting posted in other peoples’ websites? Try googling your ID or keywords from your last project, and see what happens!

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!


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lew

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#1 posted 1276 days ago

Not sure if this is bad or good.

It almost appears as if the site is a type of search/organizer engine. It does give credit to the original site (LJs) and provides a direct link the the original post. Same as Google, Ask, Altavista, Bing, etc. Maybe we should be thankful for the additional free exposure, or not….

Lew

-- Lew- Time traveler. Purveyor of the Universe's finest custom rolling pins.

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poopiekat

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#2 posted 1275 days ago

Thanks for responding, Lew! It was difficult before, alerting people to the fact that another website was reprinting our blogs, threads and projects without our permission. I still have to admit I’m not fully up to speed on internet entrepreneurship, but it sure smacks of blatant copying! I’m guessing, the way this is connected via twitter and FB and every other imagineable connections that this is indeed, as you say, an organizer of sorts… BUT…Lumberjocks lost a few members including some notable woodworkers last time, before the earlier situation I spoke of blew over. Martin did, at the time, respond constructively with that other web host. Unlike legitimate search engines, that website posts selected articles from various sources, like they’re hand picked instead of randomly by relevance.

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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Gofor

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#3 posted 1275 days ago

If I was worried about controlling access, I would not be posting it on the internet. If you want royalties for your thoughts, ideas, etc, then take the appropriate measures to ensure you have a copyright before you post.

That’s my opinion

Go

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Pop

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#4 posted 1275 days ago

It’s true poopiekat, posting something on the internet is only 2 steps removed from writing something on the restroom wall down at the bus station. Anybody & everybody can access, copy, rewrite, edit, or about anything else they can come up with to any thing they can find out there on-line. You’ve gotta think. Anything on-line is about as safe as playing catch with nitroglycerin. There are basically 2 approaches: !. Don’t post anything anywhere. 2. Throw it out there and don’t give a damn.

Pop

-- One who works with his hands is a laborer, his hands & head A craftsman, his hands, head & heart a artist

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poopiekat

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#5 posted 1275 days ago

Okay, Gofor and Pop, but hey, was it wrong to walk in the shoes of the owners of this fine site and bring to their attention what is going on? What if it was YOUR site getting plundered? I really don’t want the conversation to drift off in this direction, and indeed I did anticipate this reaction as noted in the OP, but I know for a fact that some people find it offensive to find their contributions to the popularity and success of the Lumberjocks site used as filler for somebody else’s website. That’s all! Chill, please.

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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Stephen Mines

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#6 posted 1275 days ago

Gosh, next darn thing you know they’ll be reprinting our projects and blogs and (sigh) our personal messages in the New York Times and USA Today. Guess they’d say we courted coverage. We’ll all become famous and lose our privacy! OMG!

Not poking fun, just giving my take…like, so freakin’ what? Unless some of us are escapees on a wanted list (why would they be this public?) why push against the tide? It’s gonna keep on rollin’ in and out, full of fishes and all that other stuff…why push against? For me, no harm, no foul…gotta keep on truckin’! But I applaud your motives in listing this. Every door seems to need a guard posted anymore.

-- Stephen Mines (Saltmines@aol.com)

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Gofor

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#7 posted 1275 days ago

Don’t need to chill. Not being emotional. Just stating the obvious. Once posted and not copyrighted, its free meat for whomever wants to use it. Its only “plunder” if the owners of this site think it is theirs only to use. If so, then they have the responsibility to post such intention to start with, and then to install the proper security to make it happen.

Good on you for being concerned about this forum, though.

Go

-- Go http://ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=730

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BobG

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#8 posted 1275 days ago

The site you reference looks like someone is searching the net for info and compiling it on a blog or some such! At least he is giving credit to the original authors. HHUUMM or were they the original “copiers”?

In the day of the computer!! If you don’t want someone else to post or copy your idea, put it on paper. Then start a big bonfire with it, no-one will ever see it that was not supposed to. OR! Post it on the internet where everyone has access to it. Either way it is gone, one way forever, unless you kept a copy of that piece of paper. The other it is gone all over the net, who knows how many different countries it could be copied in?

Welcome to the future!

-- BobG, Lowell, Arkansas--------My goal in life is to be the kind of person my dog thinks I am! Make more saw dust!!

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KnickKnack

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#9 posted 1275 days ago

Interesting.
First up – that web page is actually showing slightly less information copied from your original post than does a google (or bing) search if you search for “Whatizzzit”. So in some ways you could view it as just a site indexer.
Second up – a single place that presents headline information from all (or make that a lot) of woodworking web sites might have been a good idea – what a shame the presentation on that site is, how do I put it, truly, mindnumbingly awful.
Third up – I have to take slight issue with ”Unlike legitimate search engines, that website posts selected articles from various sources, like they’re hand picked instead of randomly by relevance.”. I think the days of search engines showing you results by actual relevance is long long gone – the search engines are smart, know about you, and have their own way of determining “relevance”, paying them money can make your web site more “relevant” than someone else’s.

Wasn’t there something a while back where google (I think it was google) was digesting the lead stories from newspapers? The newspapers complained. Don’t recall exactly what happened about that, but I think it was deemed “ok” – just like you’re allowed to quote a certain limited amount from a book without permission.

-- "Do not speak – unless it improves on silence." --- "Following the rules and protecting the regulations is binding oneself without rope."

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Moron

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#10 posted 1275 days ago

I cant believe people give a $#it.

so what ?

-- "Good artists borrow, great artists steal”…..Picasso

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Rick

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#11 posted 1275 days ago

Poopie:

I agree with all the statements about “If you put it on the WWW be prepared to have ANYONE & EVERYBODY steal it.”

That doesn’t make it Right!! Legall or Not legall, Copyright or Not. TRY to use one of the so called LAWS to prove it. GOOD LUCK!! “Who Cares”? I do! “So freakin’ what? “Welcome to the world of blah blah blah”. “I cant believe people give a $#it.”

The so called ”Social Networks”Facebook, Twitter, Digg It etc. etc. all the ones you can DIRECTLY Connect to From HERE. The VAST majority of people on there have NO idea of who’se ripping off their Pictures and ANY & ALL Information they put on there.

The owners of those sites do!! If you want to FIND there PRIVACY Statements and read them, they’ll tell you they have the right to let all that happen. Who Reads it??? YOU SHOULD!!

If I may Poopie…A portion of what we are talking about here is SECURE Sites and NON-SECURE Sites. This is NOT a Secure Site I’ve done what Poopie suggested a few times. That’s why I would never put anything on here that I didn’t want anyone else to see or know about. That’s why I’m not on any of those ”Social Sites”.

In spite of the odds being against me I wiil TRY to do, what I NEED to do, to PROTECT what PRIVACY I HAVE LEFT!!

POO POOING a Post like this one is NOT something that will aid in that process!!

My Four Banking Sites ARE Secure but even then I change my Password every second week. At the BANKS Suggestion.

When we used PhotoBucket, and you still can, I was amazed at the amount of Members on here who left there Albums Wide Open. Anyone else on there could just walk right in and Lift whatever they wanted to. Including “Family Pictures” I KNOW they did not want to share!!

Please allow me and my Helper to demonstrate one of the “So Freakin What Theories” Pull My Finger Here.

OR! You can CHILL OUT HERE and watch what happens when YOUR NAME Only, along with “Lumberjocks” brings up everything you’ve done…AND.. Anyone /Everyone else whose had anything to do with YOU and/or Your Postings on Lumberjocks and Lumberjocks in General.

YIKES!! I just Googled someones Name ONLY that’s on this Post, to see what THAT would bring up.
I will NOT be Posting that RESULT!!!

YES! Poopie. You have an Ally in this Battle! Unfortunately it appears that we might very well be in the Minority.

THAT is Sad. Very Sad.

Rick

-- COMMON SENSE Is Like Deodorant. The People Who need It Most, Never Use It.

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poopiekat

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#12 posted 1275 days ago

Welll, I said from the outset that there are those who feel as if it’s no big deal when our words and pictures we’ve submitted here gets posted elsewhere. Perhaps in the future I will adopt your strategy, of not posting anything worthy of pirating! (joke) What’s the fun of that? Mostly, just curious of the reaction to this from a webmaster’s point of view.

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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Bob #2

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#13 posted 1275 days ago

Poopie, when you think about it for a second the previous owner sold your content to the current owner without asking your permission.
Many of us now use RSS feeds and conglomeraters ( topic gathering software) to avoid plowing through the endless drivel that passes for woodworking topics. Many are hidden behind meaningless topic headers and require opening just to find they have no substance and hold no interest for the average woodworker.

I personally use Feedburner for this - Now Google reader.
With the social aspect of this forum now history is seems the most efficient method of staying up to date.
I will probably subscribe to the one you have pointed out as well while I make up my mind which one to stay with.
Incidently , I picked up your posting here on Feedburner.
If you are concerned with your “property rights” try posting your projects and blogs on a blogger site . You can just reference them here when the need arises.

-- A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner

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agallant

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#14 posted 1275 days ago

I was the IT manager at a web site that was getting about 18M hits a month and we had to deal with this issue all of the time. The issue with scraping is that it puts a huge load on your servers. Most companies limit the amount of hits that can come from one source. Other things we did was block IPs from outside our market. We had all of Asia and Africa blocked.

Scraping is used to gather data do post on another web site. From there what they do with the data is endless. Some people use the data to run their own web site allowing the site they scraped to do the heavy lifting of gathering the actual data other people use it to get hits to deploy viruses, the list goes on and on of what they use the data for.

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#15 posted 1275 days ago

As for me, I have ALL of my pictures copyrighted. If my pictures are found in other places without my permission, there could be problems.

I have added to my porfile:

As a note, all of my pictures, plans, and drawings are copyrighted with all rights reserved. If anyone wants to use my pictures, we need to talk. If you want to make a copy of any of my projects, I am honored. If want to copy my projects and sell them, we need to talk. Many Thanks.

-- David in Damascus, MD

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