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Carloz

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11-29-2017 03:47 PM

Dont buy cheap router bits made in China. Tools made in Europe by companies like Freud are more expensive but so much better ! Right?
https://www.amazon.com/Freud-Diameter-Miter-Router-99-034/dp/B0000225XP/ref=pd_cp_469_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=SAGECEYMYHD14AJQ0S1R

The product is Lock Miter Rout Bit. Easy to use. The product is manufactured in China.

Rout ? Typical poorly written ad on par with some Asian manuals.

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Freud manufactures some of the most innovative, technologically advanced woodworking tools and accessories in the world. To ensure that the highest quality products meet the toughest design standards, Freud owns and operates six manufacturing facilities in Western Europe.


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#1 posted 11-29-2017 05:26 PM

i went and checked my freud lock mitre and it doesn’t say where it was manufactured on the bit. it’s an older bit i got in a set…only used it couple times. wherever it was made, it cuts very well

photo of 1/4 round over bit in a whiteside and a cheap HF…looks very similar

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#2 posted 11-29-2017 05:42 PM

I’ve already been through this. I purchased a Freud Quadra bit from Amazon a few years ago. After completing the sale I noticed “Made in China” in the listing. I was a bit upset but waited until the bit arrived.

I was, in fact, a bona-fide Freud router bit mande in Italy. I believe the listing is wrong and if you order that bit you’ll find that it is made in Italy. If not, you can always return it for a refund.

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#3 posted 11-29-2017 06:17 PM

I emailed Freud with a link to that web page at Amazon. I asked them it that bit was in fact made in China. I’ll report back if I get an answer.

In the meantime Carloz I’d stick to buying the cheap bits.

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#4 posted 11-29-2017 06:28 PM

According to Freud’s web site “Cutting Tools are made Italy and Switzerland.” Some how I believe that.

http://www.freudtools.com/index.php/faq

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#5 posted 11-30-2017 01:39 AM

The specifications and quality control under which a bit is manufactured are much more important than the country of origin. I trust Freud because I have gotten good results with their bits in the past. I don’t care where they are made. I like Whiteside better because they last longer than Freud under heavy use in a CNC router. It is results that count.

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#6 posted 11-30-2017 02:35 AM



The specifications and quality control under which a bit is manufactured are much more important than the country of origin. I trust Freud because I have gotten good results with their bits in the past. I don t care where they are made. I like Whiteside better because they last longer than Freud under heavy use in a CNC router. It is results that count.

- ArtMann

I agree re: quality/quality control but for strictly political reason I deliberately buy from the first world.

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#7 posted 11-30-2017 02:41 AM

@REtrace re” Whiteside/HF look-likes…

Doesn’t necessarily mean that the two share tooling and factories. Copycats are often outright pirates. This is seen in eeverything from auto parts to apparel. Would not surprise me at all that a pirate copied every design detail from a quality Whiteside bit and then began sh*ing them out of a dank factory using inferior material and piss-poor machining.

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Carloz

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#8 posted 12-01-2017 05:39 AM


The specifications and quality control under which a bit is manufactured are much more important than the country of origin. I trust Freud because I have gotten good results with their bits in the past. I don t care where they are made. I like Whiteside better because they last longer than Freud under heavy use in a CNC router. It is results that count.

- ArtMann


Here is the quality control. This is a brand new bit that I used to make not more than 3 feet of shallow cut. I did not notice the cavity in the cutter when I unpacked it and now I am screwed. The carbide around the cavity started chipping away, I guess it is not compressed properly in that spot. The other flute is pristine. I never had this problem with Whiteside. Lets see what Freud folks say tomorrow:

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#9 posted 12-01-2017 05:53 AM

The specifications and quality control under which a bit is manufactured are much more important than the country of origin. I trust Freud because I have gotten good results with their bits in the past. I don t care where they are made. I like Whiteside better because they last longer than Freud under heavy use in a CNC router. It is results that count.

- ArtMann

Here is the quality control. This a brand new bit that I used to make not more than 3 feet of shallow cut. I did not notice the cavity in the cutter when I unpacked it and now I am screwed. The carbide around the cavity started chipping away, I guess it is not compressed properly in that spot. Lets see what Freud folks say tomorrow:

- Carloz


Give it up. You are not going to conceive anyone that Freud in Chinese crap. I don’t even know that bit is a frued. How about a picture of the whole bit and the board showing the cut. Give us a number of what you call a shallow cut is. Where did you buy it?

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#10 posted 12-01-2017 05:54 AM


Here is the quality control. This is a brand new bit that I used to make not more than 3 feet of shallow cut. I did not notice the cavity in the cutter when I unpacked it and now I am screwed. The carbide around the cavity started chipping away, I guess it is not compressed properly in that spot. The other flute is pristine. I never had this problem with Whiteside. Lets see what Freud folks say tomorrow:

- Carloz

This should serve as a reminder to everyone to be sure to pull those staples out before you rout.

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Carloz

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#11 posted 12-01-2017 09:08 PM

Just got off the phone with Freud. They agreed that the bit is defective …but. I will have to send it back to them to get a replacement for my own cost. This is a small bit so the shipping will not be much less than the cost of the bit. So forget it.
They certainly lost me as a customer.

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AlaskaGuy

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#12 posted 12-01-2017 10:09 PM


Just got off the phone with Freud. They agreed that the bit is defective …but. I will have to send it back to them to get a replacement for my own cost. This is a small bit so the shipping will not be much less than the cost of the bit. So forget it.

- Carloz

Good companies are always happy to rid themselves of unreasonable customers. Losing you won’t hurt them.

If you bought your bits locally from a reputable dealer you just take it back to them and they hand you a new one on the spot.

WHERE DID YOU BUY THAT BIT?

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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jbay

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#13 posted 12-01-2017 10:47 PM


This is a small bit so the shipping will not be much less than the cost of the bit. So forget it.
- Carloz

That should save you money! :>/

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#14 posted 12-01-2017 10:51 PM

I have no horse in this race, but to AlaskaGuy I would say that I don’t know any local store here that sells high-quality router bits. I have to order online. I’m surprised you have stores like that in Alaska. This is not a big city, but not a small town either.

“Reputable local dealer” would be Home Depot or Lowes or Sears if they hadn’t torn it down – or perhaps True Value.

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AlaskaGuy

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#15 posted 12-01-2017 11:16 PM



I have no horse in this race, but to AlaskaGuy I would say that I don t know any local store here that sells high-quality router bits. I have to order online. I m surprised you have stores like that in Alaska. This is not a big city, but not a small town either.

“Reputable local dealer” would be Home Depot or Lowes or Sears if they hadn t torn it down – or perhaps True Value.

- Ocelot

I can buy Frued router bit here at home depot. I can buy them at a local business called “Hardware Specialties”. Both will take back defective merchandise.

I have asked Carlzo twice where he bought the bit and he ignores the question. Carloz doesn’t say which city he lives in so who knows what available to him. I don’t believe you can order direct from Freud so he must have ordered it through some retailer he won’t ID. Most online retailers I’ve dealt with will take stuff back. some times they pay shipping and some don’t. I don’t even know why he called Freud on the phone. In my experience this is usually dealt with at the retail level.

I just get the feeling there more to the story.

If he bought it off Amazon he can return it at no cost. Amazon will email a free shipping label.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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