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02-26-2011 07:23 PM

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I have had this vise for about 20yr. and I am installing in my new workbench http://lumberjocks.com/gpastor/blog/21587
For years I have been wondering what is this square hole in the top of the vice for. I am hoping one of you LJ would know

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#1 posted 02-26-2011 07:53 PM

There is a bench dog slide next to the square hole

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#2 posted 02-26-2011 08:08 PM

You insert a metal or wood leg into the hole and turn the vise over
and it can them be used for heavy blacksmith pounding as a leg vise.

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#3 posted 02-26-2011 08:40 PM

Loren, I don’t think that would work to well. Have you seen this vise used like that?

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#4 posted 02-26-2011 08:46 PM

The old workbenches had square holes for bench dogs. This is a nice old reversible vise, 1 side for woodwork the other for metal. The one I have is metal jaws and pipe jaws. Trade Ya ?

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#5 posted 02-26-2011 08:51 PM

I’ve never seen your vise before in my life, but it’s clearly a double
purpose vise and I can tell you for a fact that a vise with that style
of metal-working jaws is meant for pounding and bending metal and that if
you do such work without using a leg, you’ll damage the vise. The
leg transfers the pounding to the ground so you don’t break the bolts
attaching the vise to the bench.

That’s why I’m confident the hole is for a leg. If using it with a leg for
metalwork scares you, don’t use it for that. An alternative theory is
that the hole is there just to confuse you.

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#6 posted 02-26-2011 09:18 PM

canadianchips: sorry no trade, I’ll keep my vice :)

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#7 posted 02-26-2011 09:28 PM

http://www.yostvises.com/heavyduty_woodworkers.htm
There is more info on this site. Look under wordworkers heavy duty, it talks about bench dog hole.

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#8 posted 02-26-2011 10:18 PM

The hole may be there for manufacturing purposes. The jaw appears to be cast, and in casting, you really want consistent wall thicknesses throughout the part so it cools at a consistent rate. This helps prevent warping or even cracking of the casting if some parts cool (and therefore shrink) faster that others. So you will often see cores or holes in cast parts or injection molded plastic parts for just that purpose. It also reduces the cost as you are reducing the amount of material used in the part.

Looking at that jaw, if where the hole is was solid, it would be a problem to cast it. You’d probably get alot of warp along the face that you would then have to machine out (another cost).

The strength of the section is related to the geometry rather than the amount of material. That part of the jaw is acting as a box beam, so removing the material isn’t going to dramatically reduce the strength or durability.

That’s my two cents, for what it is worth…

Tim

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#9 posted 02-26-2011 11:53 PM

Thanks guys I found it http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3007358.pdf

It is for a shank-bearing anvil or metal forming tools
see fig,7 in the pic bottom right

cool now how can I use that for woodworking:)
Thanks again

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#10 posted 02-27-2011 12:53 AM

I figured that it was like the hole in a blacksmith Anvil Used to hold tools for shaping metal.

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#11 posted 02-27-2011 02:04 PM

I don’t know the original purpose, but I would also use it for a wood bench hook so I could be more gentle to the wood.
Best thoughts,
Mads

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#12 posted 02-27-2011 04:15 PM

Thanks guys I found it http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3007358.pdf

It is for a shank-bearing anvil or metal forming tools
see fig,7 in the pic bottom right

...Ain’t the web a wunnerful thang? We’d have been jawboning this for another two decades if gpastor hadn’t Googleyed it.

I was going to suggest it was a greasel cup to keep the screw from squeaking…and your boots waterproofed.

Kindly,

Lee

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#13 posted 02-27-2011 10:26 PM

a greasel cup … boots waterproofed
Lee, you crack me up

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