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Forum topic by Resurrected posted 02-25-2011 05:16 AM 6431 views 0 times favorited 60 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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02-25-2011 05:16 AM

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OK their good but before you go out throwing that kind of money out should you not look at this. (Woodorkers getting started Please Look) Ok You can have a host of hand tools that are outstanding. Or a shop equipped that just makes life so much easier. Check out a comparison of spending your life savings on festool hand tools or grizzly shop equipement. Sorry a big saw just makes cutting that 4X8 sheet just a snap. Or a bandsaw that will cut a log for your own wood or a band saw box. How about a drum sander that makes sanding seconds away. Or a dust collector that is hooked up to all the tools. All prices taken from the internet.

Festool

“574432, Festool Domino Joiner DF 500 Q Set T-Loc ” $825.00
FT564250, Festool T 15+3 Lithium Ion Drill Set $575.00
“FT561188, Festool Circular Saw TS 75 EQ ” $625.00
FT561097, Festool Jigsaw TRION PS 300 EQ $310.00 ”
FT561287, Festool KS 120 EB Kapex – Sliding compound miter saw” $1,300.00
FT574277, Festool OF 2200 EB Plunge Router $800.00
“FT574288, Festool Router MFK 700EQ Set” $525.00
“FT574539, Festool Planer HL 850 E” $490.00
“FT571760, Festool RO 150 FEQ Dual-mode 6 inch Rotex Sander with Multi-Jetstream” $495.00
FT491937, Festool FS 2700/2, 106 inch Guide Rail $260.00
“FT491498, Festool FS 1400/2, 55 inch guide rail ” $94.50
FT583493, Festool Mobile HEPA Dust Extractor CT 36 E $600.00

total festool damage $6,899.50

Grizzly

“G0513X2B 17”” 2 HP Extreme-SeriesĀ® Bandsaw w/ Cast Iron Trunnion & Brake.” $1,095.00
“G7944 12 Speed Heavy-Duty 14”” Floor Drill Press” $335.00
“G0490X 8”” Jointer w/ Spiral Cutterhead” $1,250.00
“G0440 2 HP Cyclone Dust Collector” $950.00
“NEW! G0453PX 15”” Planer with Spiral Cutterhead, Polar Bear Series” $1,475.00
“G0691 10”” 3HP 220V Cabinet Table Saw with Long Rails & Riving Knife” $1,395.00
“NEW! G0459P 12”” Baby Drum Sander, Polar Bear Series” $595.00

total damage $7,095.00

Ok I wood not buy a Miter saw from them but for 600 dollars there are many out there that were rated # 1 in many mags

Now when you look at the numbers THINK you can have a bunch of hand tools OR be equiped like a professional. And settle for a little less in the hand tool.

PICK your poison.

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#1 posted 02-25-2011 05:29 AM

You’re comparing apples and oranges. Hand power tools to stationary machines. I have nearly everything Festool manufactures, and I also have most of the better Powermatic stuff, a 25” Woodmaster, etc. etc.
I think that in order for me to be equipped as the particular kind of pro that I need to be, everything I have is essential because I use all of it.
As far as sheet goods are concerned, my TS75 is not only easier and more accurate than the Kennedy I sold last August, I can stack as many as 3 sheets at a time, and not have to move the sheets; only the saw.
On the other hand, Festool manufactures nothing to compete with my Powermatic or Woodmaster machinery.

-- Pete ----- http://www.bluemountainwoods.com

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#2 posted 02-25-2011 05:52 AM

I wish I could have spent those dollars on Festool, mine cost me way more in Canada.

Compare the Canadian made General or Powermatic power tools and it makes the Grizzly hardly even able to growl…

My General tools cost much more than double the amount you have listed for Grizzly although I do have a few items you don’t have listed (lathe, sander).

And as Pete says above, it doesn’t matter a bit as I need them to make my living. Most of them…

-- Randy "You are judged as much by the questions you ask as the answers you give..."

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#3 posted 02-25-2011 05:52 AM

OK oK yea Blue ( I respect you) but we are talking hobbist out there that are asking whether to buy festool or out fit a shop. Please we can do so much more to assist them . There are basic tools that are needed in a shop alot of time where hand tools can be sacrificed for lesser inefficient tools that will end with the same results. Do you tell a guy to buy a saw from festool that uses maybe 5 or 10 times a year. Some of our LJs are just that.

Maybe one of these days I’ll splurg on a tool that are not a necessity.

(I doubt it Bosch dewalt PC will have my business)

jusfine I did say this is not my preferred list (Table saw Delta), but any hobbist I would think would be glowing getting the grizzly list and be way happier. Are you saying grizzly is junk. I seem to know many LJ’s that love them too death.

OK please give me those dollars and I’ll use them to go into business. Or I’ll wait to see them on craiglist for half off cause you realized you don’t use it enough and the 100 to 150 dollar drill, saw etc you should have bought would have been good enough. I think LJ’s is a good site but so many of you are just to nice about it and tell them what they want to hear rather than some common sense.

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#4 posted 02-25-2011 06:00 AM

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#5 posted 02-25-2011 06:12 AM

That said, there’s no reason to buy new machinery unless you can
only afford to buy on credit.

All my machines right now are vintage or close to it and I’ve got
less than $1000 invested in buying the machines themselves. I’ve
owned more expensive machinery, but guess what? I was tempted
to sell them during life transitions and I did!

Old machinery isn’t appropriate for everybody though and it’s more
available in some areas than others.

I own a bunch of Festool stuff and it’s useful in many common situations.
It is not a substitute for stationary machinery however in terms of
speed, power, holding settings, or repeatability. It kicks serious butt
on installations.

That said, fine tools are a pleasure and that’s why a lot of woodworkers
collect them. For a hobbiest, what says hobby more than collecting?

Just getting started and want to build furniture? Get a workbench, bandsaw
and a planer, a router, a drill and some hand tools and that’s all you need really.

Want to make plywood cabinets? Get a table saw, a drill, and a router, a few
chisels, a jack plane, etc. Everything else just adds efficiency and speed.

-- http://lawoodworking.com

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#6 posted 02-25-2011 06:23 AM

You can do the same thing with a 20 dollar HF (Which I don’t Own ,No disrespect intended) over a 500 dollar Festool.

I actually own a over priced PC at 125 where the 60 dollar PC is picked up more and if I did not own that I probably pick the craftsman up.

SO WHY THE PRICE.

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#7 posted 02-25-2011 06:23 AM

Maybe I’m missing the point, but it seems to me that hobbyists, such as myself, would opt for cheaper power tools. Yes, hand tools might be cheaper, but, being a hobbyist, I might only have maybe an hour or two each Saturday to work in the shop and you’re mistaken if you think that that time is going to be used delicately scraping or planing a surface by hand. No- I’m going to full-safety blitz the heck out of my shop in the time that I have—serially ripping, cutting, planing, sanding each one of my ongoing projects.

That being said, estate auctions and craigslist are your friends. Don’t look down on people who can’t afford a Festool and don’t feel bad if you can only afford a Ryobi.

As was once told to me—the weapon doesn’t make the warrior.

-- Dan, Rochester, NY

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#8 posted 02-25-2011 06:26 AM

superstretch

You got the point.

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#9 posted 02-25-2011 06:32 AM

Nice. Do I get a prize? A Festool perhaps?

-- Dan, Rochester, NY

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#10 posted 02-25-2011 06:51 AM

Stretch, you do get the point and a prize. Res will send you a Festool!
On the other hand, don’t be upset if some people want to spend more of their money on their tools… :)

Res,
No disrespect towards Grizzly at all.

The way I read your initial comment was that it was a lot of money spent on Grizzly tools, I just pointed out there are much more expensive options.

Give you my money so you can go into business? Seriously? Send me a business plan and we will see.

Keep looking for my Festools on Craigslist or Kijiji or Ebay, you won’t see them.

Consider this though;

Some of the baby boomers have used those less expensive tools for years, and have now upgraded to something better because they want to and can afford to. I guess I am one of them.

I have been in the carpentry / construction industry for over 35 years, and I do enjoy fine tools.

Maybe it’s all a waste of money, but hey, it is my money.

-- Randy "You are judged as much by the questions you ask as the answers you give..."

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#11 posted 02-25-2011 06:55 AM

I’ve sold Festool. It’s way over priced. We had a customer from Ukraine who always looked at the Festool prices and laughed. ” Those tools are priced much lower in Europe and I’d rather have Bosch anyway” was his comment. My problem with Festool is not only the cost, but two other things. 1. – On a lot of Festool products you’re not just buying a single tool, You’re buying into a system. Their tools are designed to work with their other tools. I prefer my assorted brands to get what I like. 2. – I just plane don’t like their tool designs. MPO I know they say their big on ergonomics but some tools look very awkward to me. All that said Festool is like Sawstop you either love em’ or hate ‘em.

Pop

-- One who works with his hands is a laborer, his hands & head A craftsman, his hands, head & heart a artist

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#12 posted 02-25-2011 06:59 AM

Randy I’m not upset at all when people spend their money how they want to spend it.. Big Bro might want some say in that.. Even though I’m happy with my low budget items, I sure wouldn’t mind some upgrades. Yes, the weapon doesn’t make the warrior, but a good weapon allows the warrior to fight at his greatest potential and won’t let him down.

-- Dan, Rochester, NY

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#13 posted 02-25-2011 07:20 AM

If you can afford it, buy it. If you cant afford it dont buy it or go to harbor frieght. lol

-- http://www.furstwoodworks.com/

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#14 posted 02-25-2011 07:21 AM

Dan, I totally agree.
Big Bro has to cross the snow covered fields to get at me… :)

-- Randy "You are judged as much by the questions you ask as the answers you give..."

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#15 posted 02-25-2011 07:23 AM

Well they aint using my snow covered field.

-- Dan, Rochester, NY

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