Does anyone have any feedback as to one company offering a generally higher quality pen kit than another?
I've purchase from half a dozen places or so and hadn't thought much of it but noticed recently on a kit I purchased that the gold didn't seem as high quality, I looked through all my kits again and found a few that I wasn't that impressed with.
Price didn't seem to matter much. I had some less expensive kits that seemed to be better quality than more expensive kits.
I like the platinum and rhodium ones from woodcraft - they've had the best write-ups as far as I can tell. I tend to ignore the non-descript gold ones (which is a shame because there are some great kits/designs out there…) but, pens get used pretty hard - oils from our fingers, dropped…, and I don't want to make ones that are going to start flaking apart in months or a few years for the sake of a couple bucks.
I bought my first pen kits from woodcraft as well and was pleased with them until I picked some up at rockler a few week later. The kit from rockler were cheaper in price but the ink cartrage was so much better and smoother to write with. I have found this site (http://thevillageworkshop.net/default.aspx) that seem to have great prices but have yet to buy any since I am trying to work on other projects for a while. Those pens are too addictive once you get started! As far as finish I stay away from the gold as I found it only works best with cetrain woods but the platinum and crome seem to go with most woods really well.
I did find that storing my kits in the same box as my glue was not a good idea after we had a small glue lid accident. The kits in the box looked like grissom from CSI was finger printing me !
So far, I have used kits from Rockler, Woodcraft, and Craft Supplies USA. I like the kits from Craft Supplies USA the best. I think their quality is a little better and they have a large selection of pen kits.
Back in the days when I was turning pens like a madman I used to buy all of my kits from Berea Hardwoods. These are the guys that import most of the pen kits sold here by Woodcraft, Rockler, etc. Berea has it's own factory in China and they manufacture the pen kits. At least that is the way it was about 10 years ago.
I turn a lot of pens and the best kits that I find are at Berea Hardwoods. They will give you a volume discount and stand behind anything that is not right. Their high end platinum and rhodium kits are expensive but worth the cost. Woodcraft and Craft Supplies are also good. The quality of the kits from Penn State is not consistent.
I have tried Rockler, Woodcraft, and Craft Supplies USA. My local Rockler just doesn't seem to have inventory of pen supplies and parts. I have never been able to change a pen style and pick up the bushings, bits, blanks, and kits at the same time. They have everything else (and then some). The local Woodcraft on the other hand has a huge inventory of all of these components unless it's a new kit or one that's on sale. They go quick. They are on the expensive side, but the service is often worth the price. Woodcraft offers a nice kit (Wallstreet II and III) for around $15-$16 that is a one piece barrel. My 12 and 13 year old boys like to turn this one because it is almost foolproof.
You can't beat Craft Supplies USA for selection and quality (www.woodturnerscatalog.com). The higher end kits (Stateman & Jr. Statesmen, Gentleman & Jr. Gentleman, Emporer, Imperial) run $15-$30 (even limited editions for $150). These kits are absolutely the best! These are all that I buy. I don't sell my pens for a profit, but donate them for charity auctions, give them as gifts, etc. I have turned them for co-workers when they hit a milestone, for some of our executive team members (helps around performance review time), and for important clients (I'm in sales). Depending on the blank, the style, and the finish, I see these finished pens on the internet for $75 - $350 and higher. The writing performance, balance and attention to detail is magnificent. They are heavy for their size which makes them feel elegant. CAUTION: Once you turn a Statesman or Jr. Statesman you will be hooked for life. Once you try these, it's hard to go back to the others.
I have tried a few of the Woodcraft pens (Classic American ballpoint, pencil, rollerball, and fountain pen; slimline pen) and some Woodturningz Euro style and cigar pens. The Woodcraft pencil has been a failure - the lead delivery mechanism has never worked (I'm going to chalk that one up to a bad unit for now) - but all the others have been satisfactory or better. I find the cigar pens are just too large for my taste. My wife thought the Euro pen was too large, so I made her the one slimline I've made.
My daily writer varies from a Woodturningz Euro pen (with copper fittings, done in acrylic - came out nice) to a zebrawood Woodcraft Classic American ballpoint with a rollerball refill (my first pen) to a cedar Classic American fountain pen. (Pics of the latter two are in my projects.)
My feeling on all the pen kit vendors is that they offer pretty much the same styles, even if the quality is different. There are basically six or seven styles - slimline, euro/montblanc, cigar, classic american/parker, wall street, comfort, and some novelty ones. I'd really like to see some other styles. For example, there's a store in Berkeley that sells beautiful celluloid (I'm guessing) pens that have threaded caps. The celluloid itself is threaded, and the pen cap fits on the back of the pen with a friction fit when writing. (Something like one of these Stipula pens.) I've been thinking of trying to design my own pens, based on this idea and working from existing kits, where I thread the wood or acrylic. I have no idea at this point if it's possible, but it would be fun to try.
Thanks everyone. I've looked at CSU's kits but haven't ordered from them, I just took a look at Berea Hardwoods and it seems they have some really nice kits.
northwoodsman said just about word for word what I was going to reply with!
I recently ordered some of the Jr Gentlemans II fountain and rollerball pens from Craft Supplies USA and love them. They aren't something I would put in the cheap category (price wise) but they do seem worth every penny. They also state that these kits are guaranteed for life. I used the Titanium, Black Titanium and would like to try the Rhodium next.
I have tried just about all the manufacturers and I think Craft Supplies has given me the best results. One word of warning though is that you will find slight differences on the same style from one manufacturer to another and you may have to buy a new set of bearings when you switch to a different manufacturer.
www.woodturningz.com buys its supplies from PSI and sells for a LOT less than does Penn State.
For example PSI sells its slimline pen for $2.75, Woodturningz sells the same pen for $1.70.
Plus they have bi-weekly sales and good quantity discounts.
Just echoing opinions already stated. I buy almost everything at either CraftSuppliesUSA or Berea (via arizonasilhouette.com or BearToothWoods.com).
If you're looking for alternative platings, Beartoothwoods generally seems to have a few unique or at least uncommon combinations. CSUSA probably has the widest selection of non-pen/pencil kits if you're interested in doing other projects. ArizonaSilhouette has some of the nicest pen blanks I've ever seen. Otherwise, all three give some of the best customer service I've ever received, are all very competitively priced, have quick shipping, and sell the highest quality kits I've worked with.
I'm excited about making my first pen soon . After all of this info that you received , have you sampled from the different suppliers or have you stuck with your original choice ? Thank you : )
Arizona Silhouette has been a great source for me. Never had any trouble with their kits, fast shipping, good sales, and great regular prices. The free blank you get with each order are always fun too. Since they are a Berea dealer, I suppose that's why they have been good kits.
Second source has been Woodcraft locally, and they too are a Berea distributor, but like to change the names around a bit. Therefore I've not needed to buy brand specific bushings.
Recently got the catalog for Craft Supplies, and they really do have some nice kits in there. Great looking blanks as well, but I'm a bit "frugal" at $5.99 and up for a blank.
However, Jr. seems to be in my future now.
Is there another source that sells their line also?
Woodcraft: Good for the basic kits - Euros, Cigars, Slimlines, etc. Finish is generally good and prices are decent. Since I have a local store I can browse and buy.
Rockler: They've made a big effort lately to expand their selection. They've got all the basics as well as some high-end kits available now. Plus, they email me a lot of coupons so I get a lot from Rockler. They do need to work on getting additional parts (like replacement tubes) for the new kits they carry.
Bear Tooth Woods: Lots of nice kits and blanks as well, really good customer service and personal attention. One of my favorites. Carries most kits in a lot of different finishes.
PSI: The best thing to say wit PSI is that they are good for the value kits. Cheap pricing, but you know what they say.
Craft Supplies USA: Quite a few pen kits that I like and a great selection of blanks and turning accessories. I like that I can get everything from them - kit, drill bit, bushing, spare tubes, etc. and it's all organized well on the site.
Others I'd rank as very good would be Berea Hardwoods and Arizona Silhoutte, I haven't done as much with them but they seem to have really nice products from what I've purchased.
Great information here. I have bought about 50-60 kits so far and I am always looking for other peoples experience and advice. I also use penmakingsupplies.com for the less expensive kits. I've found theirs are reasonable good quality and some kits are even better than average. I keep looking on ebay, but they scare me by looking so cheap. I would like to get some kits in colors and ebay is the only place I've seen them. I guess I'll have to break down and get a few and see what they are like. I have bought at most of the sites listed above and learned about a couple of new places too. I've done some bullet pens (Woodcraft) and getting ready to order more. I like the look of the berea kits (same as beartoothwoods), so I guess I'll try some from there.
Thanks to all.
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