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Forum topic by Bertha posted 02-23-2011 08:04 PM 1622 views 0 times favorited 21 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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02-23-2011 08:04 PM

I missed out on a Craigslist Dewalt RAS opportunity ($100 in good shape). I searched the list for another RAS & found a Craftsman 2.5hp in near new shape for $500. It came with a sad story about the passing of a family member, the barn falling down, and recent scams. I honestly didn’t think the saw was worth $500 & with a disclaimer against insult, I offered her $200. She responded with some level of desperation & accepted the offer.

Now, I feel guilty. I don’t NEED a radial arm saw & would have prefered to rehab a vintage one. Should I feel guilty paying what I think a tool is worth? Or did I take advantage of her desperation?

Sleepless in West By God Virginia, Al

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#1 posted 02-23-2011 08:15 PM

Al, I think you did a great thing for the lady. I’m sorry for the troubles she has had, but you offered twice what I would have. Old, used, even well kept, RAS just don’t have a great resale value. There is a thing called “Fair Market Value” and I think you paid her that. Rand

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#2 posted 02-23-2011 08:15 PM

Sorry, I mis-typed 3.5hp instead of the correct 2.5hp (corrected).

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#3 posted 02-23-2011 08:18 PM

I really appreciate that, Rand. A RAS saw is kind of a luxury with my limited shop space. I could never justify a new one and I’ve got projects standing between me & a proper vintage saw rehab. Like you mention, I offered what I thought was fair. Thanks again for your comment. I feel better.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#4 posted 02-23-2011 08:30 PM

Bertha, I have seen several transactions of this nature. People getting valuable items at yard sales, craigslist…etc. In most cases…even though you feel you got a great deal….the other party is thinking the same…..they got rid of something they didn’t want….or couldn’t use….and got some cash for it….sure in some cases they could have received more….but who is to say that someone might have come along and offered less?

-- Woodworking.....My small slice of heaven!

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#5 posted 02-23-2011 08:34 PM

Owners of Sears/Craftsman tools are a cult of people who confuse brand loyalty with an unwillingness to comparison shop, and feel justified in buying the $1300 table saw for $650 cuz it was half off; on a saw that otherwise branded may be only $450 new elsewhere. Then, when it’s time to sell that used Craftsman saw, they cannot understand why that same saw should be $100-$200 cuz the original list price was, cripes, $1300. The overstated retail value, along with chronically overstated horsepower and other statistics of their power tools makes me avoid buying there, and I look askance at any used Sears tool when offered in classifieds or at yard sales, etc. for the same reason. Other than vinyl siding contractors, I really don’t know who actually gets much use out of RAS these days.

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#6 posted 02-23-2011 09:04 PM

How about giving her an item that you made. She might appreciate it and value your friendship forever

-- DeputyDawg

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#7 posted 02-23-2011 09:26 PM

When you made her the offer, she had a choice: sell for $200 or hold out for more. At that point, she had options. For you to NOT make the offer is basically just depriving her of one of those options. To believe that you know which option is best for her would be presumptuous. That’s her decision to make. Bottom line: there’s nothing wrong with making an offer.

On the flip side (and this is another conversation), when someone offers us less than we want for our tools or creations, we should just politely decline and not take it personally. They’re just telling you what it’s worth to them. There’s no such thing as “what it’s worth”. There’s just “what it’s worth to you” and “what it’s worth to them”. When those numbers line up, you have a deal. When they don’t, you walk away. No hard feelings.

-- -Michael

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#8 posted 02-23-2011 10:19 PM

Thank you all for your kind input. I don’t own a single Craftsman tool (with the exception of wrenches) for similar reasons to above. I also don’t have any real need for a RAS, aside from just wanting one! I’ve responded to cheap handplane ads only to realize that the seller didn’t know what they had (a Stanley #2 for $30 as an example). I’ve always been honest & let them know it’s true value (or at least current Ebay value). I don’t get any enjoyment from ripping anyone off and having read these answers, I no longer feel like I’m doing it.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#9 posted 02-23-2011 10:44 PM

I wouldn’t pay more that $100 for a Craftsman RAS, personally – and
I would have to need on because I know they are not easy to resell
when the job is done.

Craftsman saws don’t hold accurate settings. That doesn’t make them bad tools,
just not in the same class as older Dewalts, Deltas and some others.

She made out good getting $200 for it. Prices vary regionally of course.
Supply and demand, you know.

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#10 posted 02-23-2011 10:45 PM

I picked up a 2.5 HP Craftsman Radial Arm Saw, it was brand new still in the box, for 125.00 The fellow I bought it from was glad to get it out of his garage his brother had bought it years ago, went into hospital and died. It sat in the box for over 10 years. I told him it was worth more than that, he said new that but just wanted it gone. I made him some bird and squirl feeders. Because I felt guilty. He calls me every now and then when he needs something made. I never charge him.

-- Ray

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#11 posted 02-23-2011 10:52 PM

you didn’t mention how old it was. Sears used to sell a ton of those things for about $300 for the 2 1/2 hp model. Step up to the 3 1/2 horse model and they become a rare find because they didn’t come with the stand. I have owned one of those since 1982.

If your saw is from about that era and is like new, you should be ashamed of yourself for taking advantage of a poor old widow.

RAS comes in very handy for certain cuts. Unfortunately the lawyers got involved and prices have gone through the roof due to the inherent safety issues with the exposed over-head blade.

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#12 posted 02-23-2011 11:41 PM

I can’t seem to get the HP right! First, I had it in my mind that it was a 3.5, then I changed it to 2.5, now I’m seeing it’s a 2.75. Ah well, I’ve agreed to $200 so this is what I’m getting this weekend.

My puppy, Steak, is simply for the dog lovers here. Shop dog in training.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#13 posted 02-24-2011 12:57 AM

looks to be a newer design (guessing mid to late 80’s) than what I have but probably still before Craftsman tools became junk. it probably sold for $300-400 new so no need to go to confession on that one.

keep it tuned, keep the blades sharp and replace the fence often (#2 pine works well enough so will cost you maybe $1 per change). get a piece of 1/8 or 1/4 hardboard or mdf for the top (sacrificial). this saw will serve you well.

will need some more info on the puppy before I comment! too young to tell how it will hold up to sawdust/noise. keep us posted.

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#14 posted 02-24-2011 06:08 AM

I am wired different than others, I know that, I have come to accept it. But honestly, who pays that much money for a new tool/toy, assembles it and then never uses it? I would find something to cut with it as soon as it was put together and there is a decent chance I would have cut something before the legs were installed.

The column and arm on those saws are fairly rigid, it is the base that causes them to fall out of alignment. I had one very similar to that, except it not in that kind of shape, and the base on it was made out of sheet metal and not triangulated well or reinforced. Make sure you leave it where you set it up at. If by some chance you could come up with a suitable, more sturdy base it would really help with accuracy.

Nice score! It should still have the warranty on it! :)

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#15 posted 02-24-2011 06:21 AM

Your just fine. They don’t hold their value.

-- Who can I block now???????????????????????

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