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Forum topic by alderdude posted 02-17-2011 07:59 PM 8139 views 0 times favorited 10 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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alderdude

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02-17-2011 07:59 PM

Topic tags/keywords: alder

This is my first time finishing Knotty Alder. I wouild like the “natural” look that I see in the kitchen cabinets in new homes. I have asked several Sherwin Wiliams stores what kind of stain painters are using to finish the wood. I am getting a hundred different answers.

Closest thing I can figure out is: seal it with Lacquer first. Second put a “chocolate” or dark brown glaze on it…then wipe it off after just a couple minutes…then Lacquer again and yer done. Is that it…or are the pros…tinting their lacquer?


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Lee Barker

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#1 posted 02-18-2011 05:48 AM

I deal with my local SW store and find them quite helpful. Good for you for going to the pros rather than the store where someone gets assigned to the paint dept. and doesn’t know which end of the stir stick goes up.

I’d take a chunk of wood into the SW store and ask them to dab a little of their natural oil on it. Take it home and let it rest a bit and then blast some lacquer on it. I have a hunch you’ll have what you want.

If you want it darker, you’ll end up in that glaze thingy where evenness issues can lead to failure. Are you willing to risk that?

Kindly,

Lee

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#2 posted 02-18-2011 08:13 AM

I would think “natural” would be to just put some sort of clear on it. Whether it be lacquer, poly, or shellac. If you want it dark brown, you should have no problems what so ever just staining alder to that color and then applying your topcoat. Alder takes any color stain wonderfully. Just be sure to condition the wood to prevent blotching…. Maybe this is why “the pros” do it like you’re asking… I always thought they would tint the lacquer only with woods that are hard to stain, like maple, birch and beech. Also I think doing it that way helps for a more even color and less of a contrast with earlywood/latewood absorption, but alder doesn’t have that problem.

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#3 posted 02-18-2011 01:35 PM

Most Sherwin-Williams stores carry the Zar brand (United Gilsonite Laboratories, Inc.) of stains and varnishes.
They are excellent.
The big box stores don’t carry this brand.

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Dark_Lightning

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#4 posted 02-22-2011 04:06 AM

Hmmm I just finished an alder knickknack shelf. I used Teak oil and lacquer. It’s in the garage at the moment, and I don’t have a pic, yet. Of course, my camera and my skills are a little sub par, to say the least. But I’ll see if I can scare up a pic to show what it might look like. It’s plain stuff, not knotty, though.

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#5 posted 02-22-2011 05:41 AM

OK, it took awhile, but here are a couple of pics of that shelf. I doubt that I’ll work with alder again. My eyes swelled up and I had a serious sinus allergic reaction to the dust. Weird, since it’s only listed as an irritant in the wood toxicology website. Different body chemistry, I guess. I don’t understand the difference in color between the two pics. they are obviously the same object. Must be an aspect of the flash. The first one represents the true color the most.

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#6 posted 03-12-2011 05:13 AM

we use alot of knotty alder in our shop. i have a dark brown finish i made . if you still need help let me know and ill givee you the formula. we have sold alot of gallons of it and is the most poplar of about 15 or so colors we offer

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#7 posted 03-12-2011 05:58 AM

We have yet to sell alder as a kitchen yet. I always sell our customers on natural, such as natural cherry or natural walnut. Much easier for us. We do have a lot of exp with staining maple. I actually do utilize toner coats a lot but still prefer going with clear natural finish. I am anxious to see if anyone else shares any alder finishing secrets.

I would think that sealing with sand/seal lacquer before stain is applied would help prevent the splotching.

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#8 posted 03-14-2011 01:41 AM

jerry we have found the key to splotching is the sanding process. ive been at this about 40 years and am just now seeing the difference. we sand to 120 grit with big belt sander then finish w same grit on orbital as well. seems to smooth out the highlights as we call them. we also sand all our doors before assembly with same grit and have found almost no color difference on the cross grains. i also have found the more you sand the more grainy or veins show up. almost does like yellow pine that sands between the grain. most people want to polish the wood to real fine paper grit and it gets them into trouble. you said you do alot of maple so i am sure you know what happens when not sanded uniform. hope this might help.
Terry

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#9 posted 03-14-2011 01:48 AM

Thanks Terry, Yes, i do find a uniform sanding for maple is best for the finish. I do plan to note your advice with regard to Alder. Thanks

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#10 posted 03-14-2011 02:06 AM

i forgot to tell you i noticed the veinging on my own cabinet at my house. not on the customers. lol

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