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Forum topic by Maveric777 posted 02-17-2011 03:32 PM 4450 views 0 times favorited 7 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Maveric777

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02-17-2011 03:32 PM

Topic tags/keywords: question plane hand plane parts

I have run into a few snags on my brides Great Grandfathers hand plane restoration project. I decided to go through Highland Woodworking to get the blades, chip breakers, and complete replacement screw kits. Once all the parst came in I finally got a chance to sit down and see if I cant get these two jewels together. I was very discouraged when I seen that “None” of the screws thread pitch matches anything on either planes. The size and length is dead on…. But all different thread pitches.

I did contact Highland and talked to a very helpful and understanding representative and was explained how the kits where for Stanley #4 and #5 planes. The problem is when different manufacturers do “Their Thing” some things are changed up. On that note let me add he offered a full refund on my purchase, but I felt the $20 bucks wasn’t worth the trouble…. I chocked it up to a learning experience… and I will have extra parts in the shop for the future.

Now my issue is basically just the screws, depth adjustment screw, and the depth adjuster. The biggest tell tell I seen was the depth adjuster screw and depth adjuster on the replacement kit where all left handed threads. Both on my frogs are right handed thread. I thought that was slightly odd, but what do i know… I’m still learning.

So long story short (sorry for rambling… just trying to give some background) at the least I am needing regular thread depth adjuster screw and depth adjusters for both planes (the ones on the restoration frogs are completely froze up). I can tap new threads in everything else to make it all uniform. Unfortunately that isn’t going to be an option for the depth adjusters.

Ohhh and to add a note. Both frogs have a 409 numbers in the casing on the very bottom. Not sure what that means, but that’s what I got.

Thanks for reading and hopefully this will be seen by the right person. I am slightly heading on the desperate side trying to get these done.

-- Dan ~ Texarkana, Tx.


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Maveric777

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#1 posted 02-17-2011 03:34 PM

Almost forgot… Here is the kit I ordered that was not usable… Just in case it helps… “Bench Plane Screw Kit

-- Dan ~ Texarkana, Tx.

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HorizontalMike

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#2 posted 02-17-2011 03:56 PM

This site gives SOME information but is far from complete. It looks like production on your #409 planes span 1887—1950, so it would be a good idea to try and track down any additional markings that might mark ether as a type 1, 2, or 3 (1887-1901 time frames). They both have high knobs, so that might indicate later production dates (younger). Also, the body appears to have a stamped name behind the knobs, indicating newer (20th Century) production.

I also have a couple of planes handed down from my GG-father, one Sargent #418 Type 2 and an older Auburn Tool Co. 22in Wooden Jointer. Both are in original un-restored condition other than the 22” Auburn that I jointed the sole on to take out ~150 years of twist.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#3 posted 02-17-2011 03:56 PM

Persistence will pay off. Keep at it. All you have is time.

-- If you don't work, you don't eat!.....Garland, TX

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#4 posted 02-17-2011 06:40 PM

Dan, I recently restored an old Stanley plane where the depth adjustment screw was froze. I sprayed it down with WD40 let it sit over night then tried again still froze. I sprayed with more WD40 let it sit still no luck. I gave it one last spray and the 3rd time was a charm. I got it out cleaned up the rust and now it works great. My advice would be to keep trying to salvage the old screws. Other then the froze depth adjustment screw what is wrong with the other ones? If they are not stripped you should be able to restore them to like new shape.

My only other advice would be to buy the same make plane off ebay. There are thousands of planes and plane parts on ebay. I am sure you can get a whole plane for about the price you spent on the replacement screws. You can use the plane for its parts if yours are damaged.

-- Dan - "Collector of Hand Planes"

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mafe

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#5 posted 02-17-2011 08:14 PM

Try also to heat with a torch on the bolts if stucked.
And I would also do all my self to safe the old parts before buying new.
Dan please define the problems. and tell me what you call the deep adjustment screw.
Best thoughts,
Mads

-- MAD F, the fanatical rhykenologist and vintage architect. Democraticwoodworking.

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#6 posted 02-17-2011 08:50 PM

let the penetrating oil do its job over 24 hours and then maybee one or two times more
and try gently but with a little force to screw it out …...........if not in first try then you can always try the torch trick but before that …there is another I have tryed many times with succes
take the screwdriver and try to screw it further in .. well don´t do it just the pressure that way
and tap one or two times on the screwdriver with a small onehand sledgehammer at the same time
not hard but a little more than gently just enoff to chock the rustwelding and break it ….
then try to unscrew it
is amazing how often this little trick is enoff to get it loose and if there is still some resistence
when you loosen the screw then give it little penetration oil and wait an hour to do it
in over 95% this has done it for me with out destroying the screws/bolts before I need to
go to the haevy equiptment :-)

if there is one or two screw/bolt you have to get new of then go to a local maschinist shop
I´m sure there can help you with one that has the right pitch and size just take the peice
with you where the bolt/screw is going in , so they can messure the hole

take care
Dennis

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canadianchips

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#7 posted 02-18-2011 12:39 AM

Try a product called “Liquid Wrench.” It seems to free up rusted parts better than WD40.
Spray it on and let it sit , try rockin the screw back and forth, each time it will move a little more.

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