For picture frames: dedicated miter sled or aftermarket miter gauge?

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Forum topic by Millo posted 02-16-2011 07:24 AM 4462 views 0 times favorited 14 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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02-16-2011 07:24 AM

Hey everyone,

What do you use, a dedicated shop-made miter sled or a commercial miter gauge like Incra’s line?

I was looking at Incra’s Miter 1000HD and thinking about possible uses (projects I have in mind), and started to consider that MAYBE this thing could make me not require a shop-made miter sled for picture frames, only needing to build the miter key-slot (I like the look and functionality of miter keys) jig.

The reason I would like to limit my jig-making during shop time is because I only go to a community college shop for a few hours once a week… was thinking of using this on their Saw Stop. No table saw or power tools at home.

A different question: do you cut your own matting? Just curious on that one.


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#1 posted 02-16-2011 06:19 PM

Dedicated jig so I can cut left and right pieces to cancel out any error. And, yes, cut my own mats.


-- Lew- Time traveler. Purveyor of the Universe's finest custom rolling pins.

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#2 posted 02-16-2011 07:14 PM

Cut a little (about 3/32) over-sized whichever way is faster for you then use an anvil to make the final cuts. Grizzly has one for $159 and you can buy an adjustable stop attachment for it.


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#3 posted 02-16-2011 08:14 PM

Lew: YES, that’s the advantage I see on doing the sled! I love that part of it.

The advantage of NOT doing it is simply saving shop time (since I only have about 4 hrs. a week) and getting something that can be used for this AND be adjusted for other things as well, like the angle I’m thinking of doing for a wall-hung mail organizer.

Cessna: Yup, I was planning to use stops but the miter sled fences have to be rather large for some of the stuff I want to frame, and with graduations… that’s exactly how I got the idea of buying the Incra tool, because of the telescoping fence w/ stop and the built-in graduations, which I wouldn’t to have fiddle with.

Colin: GREAT TIP! That is about the price of the miter gauge, though. This miter trimmer looks like a great tool, awesome.

Decisions, decisions… I still have a couple weeks to decide, though.

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#4 posted 02-16-2011 08:29 PM

I cut my miters on the 1000HD. If you use a sacrificial fence/extension with it, you have zero clearance for the blade as well as the ability to hit the mark. The latter point is less important for shorter boards since you can use the Incra stop for repeated cuts, but it certainly helps to hit your marks on longer boards where a stop isn’t practical.

Once you lock the true angle in, the miter gauge is pretty accurate. I use an Irvin clamp to keep the board true to the miter fence to prevent any motion going through the blade.

-- jay,

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#5 posted 02-16-2011 08:50 PM

Cosmicsniper: yes, I was thinking of using padded clamps to keep boards tight against fence.

IS it easy to align fences made of, say MDF, where the last portion is detachable so that your cuts are supported to avoid tear-out, w. a sacrificial fence?

In the videos I JSUT saw it seems the fence they show is modular, as in not a huge long one but segmented. It seems when a fence is added, a potential error factor is added. It would be critical to make this MDF, plywood or wooden face of consistent thickness.

Do you trust getting the blade close to the miter gauge’s aluminum fence to avoid tear/chip-out?

LEW: do you have a dedicated mat-cutting system, or just use a 45-degree mat-cutter and a straightedge?

Just trying to se what people use. I see there are mat-cutting systems that cost around $300 at LeeValley.

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#6 posted 02-16-2011 08:53 PM

does anyone use the Incra or Osborne miter gauges to taper legs—with the aid of clamps, of course (for accuracy and safety)?

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#7 posted 02-17-2011 12:45 AM

Cool. Ive used a similar one, not mine.

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#8 posted 02-17-2011 01:16 AM

I enjoy making shop jigs so I have a dedicated picture frame jig and also a taper jig. Both of them shop made.

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#9 posted 02-17-2011 03:02 AM

I have the Fletcher Bevel 32” Matt Mate. Don’t have any of the oval/circle cutting attachments. Mostly just do standard square/rectangle stuff.

My 45 degree jig isn’t very large. Probably only 18” or so square. The real advantage is that it is always the exact angle. For everything else, I use my Woodhaven miter gauge.

-- Lew- Time traveler. Purveyor of the Universe's finest custom rolling pins.

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#10 posted 02-17-2011 03:21 AM

I bought my first after market sled last year, a Dubby. I like it. When I made lots of frames I used a dedicated sled with 45 deg fences going both ways. The nice thing about the dedicated fence is that you know it’ll be the right angle without fiddling with any adjustment. There is the arguement that having both is the best of all worlds.

-- Glen

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#11 posted 02-17-2011 05:09 AM

I use the kreg and I love it The only thing better than kreg products is thier customer service. When I do make frames I always end up having to fine tune them with a block plane. NOt the miter gauge fault I just have bad luck with miters so I cut them a little long

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#12 posted 02-17-2011 05:24 AM

I’ve made a few frames with my Osbourne and they came out perfect….no hand tuning needed at all.

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#13 posted 02-17-2011 11:38 PM

Related but unrelated:

Has anyone used and/or recommend any of these mat-cutting systems?

Has anyone built a mat-cutting jig from plywood/MDF to use one the of the Logan or Alto or other brand of commercial 45-degree cutters? Or can I just cut matting w/ a combination square and a straightedge and 45-degree mat-cutter?

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#14 posted 02-23-2016 11:27 PM

Dubby Miter Sled
Sled is made poorly. Sled is made of MDF that is cheap and will need to be handled carefully if you expect it to survive in your shop. Fence made of aluminum, but other parts are made of wood that can split, needs to be trimmed and shimmed in order for them to fit correctly on the fence. The Stop Block is also made of wood and the Allen screw was put in backwards and it cannot be removed and put in correctly since the threads in wood do not hold. The stop block should be machined from metal so if it is put in backwards it can be removed and replaced correctly. In Line Industries does not support their product and calls and emails to them are never answered. I would NOT recommend this sled and Look at the other sleds that are on the market rather than buy the Dubby sled which probably cost $25 dollars at most to manufacture and you will get no support if you have a problem.

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