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Forum topic by GraceAndDrew posted 10-31-2017 04:28 PM 4149 views 0 times favorited 39 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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GraceAndDrew

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10-31-2017 04:28 PM

Topic tags/keywords: tablesaw

I have learned so much from all of you on this site. One thing I am curious about is who and where table saws ( and probably other power tools) are manufactured.

I am wondering if there are really only a couple of manufacturers and the tools are just rebranded.

For example, I know Grizzly and Shopfox are basically the same company. Some of the saws are made in China and some in Taiwan. It seems the Grizzly models with white powdercoating are made in China and the green powdercoating models made in Taiwan. Not sure though.

I would love to see a chart like this:

Band Name——————-Country of Origin——————Actual Manufacturer (manufacturing company name)
Grizzly
Shopfox
Laguna
Powermatic
SawStop
Jet
Etc.

I guess I have a conspiracy theory that all powertools are made in the same factory.

Fill in any information if you have it.
Thanks!
Mark

-- Grace & Drew Woodworking, http://graceanddrew.com


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#1 posted 10-31-2017 04:36 PM

I’ve wondered the same thing… But I don’t know the answer.

Here’s another conspiracy theory: We never went to the moon. It’s all fake. :-P

-- Pete

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#2 posted 10-31-2017 04:41 PM

One thing I do know is that here in the US, we have a pretty rigid patent system / rules on branding, etc. However, it seems that other countries (China in particular) are shameless in outright copying the design of a leading US brand and undercutting costs by cheaper labor and poorer construction. One example that comes to mind is the Lie Nielsen tools and the Chinese version, the “Quangsheng”. Do you REALLY think Quansheng came up with the design?? HAHA, nope, just got ahold of a LN and copied it. So, my GUESS is that the same thing is going on with the various tool look alikes, even ones that are made in the same country. (China)

-- Pete

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#3 posted 10-31-2017 04:42 PM

An excellent question. I too would like to know. My 35 year old Jet cabinet saw was made in Taiwan and is a well built, accurate and reliable saw. I can’t say the same for newer models and that goes for every other saw on the market. I would suspect, it’s a carefully guarded secret by the brands involved. Country of origin is pretty obvious, but who actually makes it is a big ?. Most are made in China and if it is made in Taiwan, the company will make sure the consumer knows it.

One thing one must remember; China despite all it’s bad press, can make as good and even better a product as anyone else in the world. The Chinese will make anything, but will put into the product ONLY what the customer wants to pay for; no more, no less. It’s the requirement of the client to set down all the parameters needed and be willing to pay the cost. It’s all a matter of contract negotiations for how much quality are you willing to pay for. You can see the difference between a cell phone sold by Apple and one sold by your local “Dollar” store.

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GraceAndDrew

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#4 posted 10-31-2017 05:05 PM

Funny! I know people who would rather give their first born before giving up their Nielsen No. 62 but I never hear anyone brag about their Quangsheng!

Ok. Jet, Some Grizzly and therefore Shopfox are made in Taiwan. Same factory?

What about Powermatic, Baileigh Industrial (which looks very similar to Grizzly), Laguna, Delta, Sawstop?

-- Grace & Drew Woodworking, http://graceanddrew.com

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#5 posted 10-31-2017 05:11 PM

I have a theory that parts are done by different
job shops and final painting and assembly is
done in a warehouse where brand representatives
oversee quality control.

I suspect the business is just so cost competitive
that you have foundries, plastic molders, machine
shops and so on bidding to do x number of parts
for such-and-such brand design.

I knew a guy who owned a factory in China and
he said they could make a wide range of items because
it was all manual labor oriented with little high-tech
machinery.

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#6 posted 10-31-2017 06:05 PM

For the record, I don’t have any Quangsheng, but I do have a couple Lie Nielsens :)

-- Pete

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#7 posted 10-31-2017 08:29 PM

I’m jealous!

I had Quengsheng once after an all you can eat buffet. Two days in the bathroom and I was fine!

-- Grace & Drew Woodworking, http://graceanddrew.com

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#8 posted 11-01-2017 12:30 PM

Certainly if you look at a lot of tools made overseas, they seem very similar, often just the paint scheme and/or the switch style/placement.
My drill press is branded “CWI” but is basically a spray painted General International.

-- Sometimes the creative process requires foul language. -- Charles Neil

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#9 posted 11-01-2017 12:40 PM

Very true. I know the Kobalt job site table saws (Lowes) are exactly the same as Delta. The Ridgid R4512 is the same as…well I can’t remember but I know there is a brand/model that is exactly the same.

I suspect 2 or 3 manufacturers make them all.

-- Grace & Drew Woodworking, http://graceanddrew.com

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#10 posted 11-01-2017 01:10 PM

Here ya go

-- Gene 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

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#11 posted 11-01-2017 01:19 PM

The ridged 4512 is the same things as the craftsman


Very true. I know the Kobalt job site table saws (Lowes) are exactly the same as Delta. The Ridgid R4512 is the same as…well I can t remember but I know there is a brand/model that is exactly the same.

I suspect 2 or 3 manufacturers make them all.

- GraceAndDrew

-- “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell

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#12 posted 11-01-2017 01:23 PM

I wonder where SAWSTOP is made and by who? Its also a question of who made the PARTS not the assembly of the machine.

All the PARTS could be made anywhere THEN assembled here. SO they call it American made.

-- “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell

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#13 posted 11-01-2017 01:30 PM

Many of the castings are made in the same factory and assembled somewhere else. As mentioned, look close you will notice some distinct similarities between brands.

One example: take a look at the PM and Grizzly 20” planers. The are identical and according to Grizzly support, they are cast in the same factory. The only difference is electrics and the infeed/outfeed tables vs. rollers.

Quansheng – if I’m correct this is branded as WoodRiver by Woodcraft. I own several of them and they actually come pretty close to LN in performance.

-- Everything is a prototype thats why its one of a kind!!

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#14 posted 11-01-2017 01:36 PM

No wonder Powermatic and Jet table saws look almost identical (like GMC and Chevy)...they are made by JPW Industries. Thanks Richard.

-- Grace & Drew Woodworking, http://graceanddrew.com

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#15 posted 11-01-2017 01:39 PM

https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/complying-made-usa-standard

Interesting, just read this for the first time. Seems more rigid than I thought it would be. Made in the USA means all parts for “virtually” all parts are made and assembled in the USA. These tools likely fall into the “assembled in the USA” category if they’re making any USA claims.

Saw Stop is Privately owned, so it’s not part of a larger conglomerate. Can’t say about their manufacturing..


I wonder where SAWSTOP is made and by who? Its also a question of who made the PARTS not the assembly of the machine.

All the PARTS could be made anywhere THEN assembled here. SO they call it American made.

- richardchaos


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