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David Schwarz

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10-27-2017 01:44 PM

The old adage “you get what you pay for” couldn’t be more true. I spent nearly one week attempting to generate “straight” cuts with my Dewalt 7491 Table Saw. Last night I decided to investigate and realized the problem:

The problem is how the miter angle is set. That little black bar that the arrow is pointing to is the only thing essentially providing “stability” to the blade housing. It takes very little effort to flex the housing with my hand, and no doubt contributes to the less than ideal cuts I have been able to produce.

So now I understand that you really don’t use a portable contractors saw for fine woodworking – just a bad idea. What I now suspect I need is a good cabinet saw, or at the very least a hybrid. I’ll probably need something used, because I cannot afford to shell out $2K+ for a brand new SawStop or similar.

I’d like to hear what this group considers to be a rock solid platform. I’m not afraid to purchase something that needs TLC – new bearings, parts whatever. What I do want though is something with a rock solid mounting system for the blade. I’ve seen quite a few Delta hybrid cabinets around and a quick check of the schematics suggests that it is assembled using good old cast iron brackets bolted to the table top – sounds much better to me.

So, what do you think?

-- I make trees cry.


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Ripper70

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#1 posted 10-27-2017 01:50 PM

Knowing what your budget is and where you are located would help.

-- "You know, I'm such a great driver, it's incomprehensible that they took my license away." --Vince Ricardo

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henigail

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#2 posted 10-27-2017 01:51 PM

A 3HP cabinet saw is kind of ground zero for serious hobbyist furniture making IMO. Grizzly will be at the low end of the quality spectrum, and Powermatic and Sawstop ICS near the top. Beyond that you’re into Euro sliders – even higher quality and big money. I’ve done fine with my Grizzly cabinet saw but it is one of few Grizzly’s that I haven’t sold off and upgraded. The key is cabinet saw. They’re heavier with better trunions, more power and usually better fence systems…but the fences are easily upgraded if you have issues.

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waho6o9

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#3 posted 10-27-2017 02:04 PM

If your close to Grizzly I’d go there and get a good cabinet saw

Grizzly Industrial Showroom Washington
1821 Valencia Street
Bellingham, WA 98229

Mo – Fr 8:30 am – 5:00 pm
Closed Saturday & Sunday

http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-Hybrid-Table-Saw-with-Riving-Knife-Polar-Bear-Series/G0833P?utm_campaign=zPage&utm_source=grizzly.com

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#4 posted 10-27-2017 02:16 PM

Once an original company like DEWALT is SOLD to another company in this case Stanley B&D, quality is almost 100% sure going to go way down..Its just the ways of the World.

I bought my first DeWalt a corded drill like 12 years ago and cant make it stop running.

I have a newerDeWalt jig saw that by design VENTS the cooling air for the motor straight into your eyes if you are right handed. WHO DESIGNS THIS NEWER CRAP.

I have a newer 20 volt rechargeable DeWalt drill that fire sparks out of it once in a while.

I say this as a life time fan of DeWalt. You can not find maybe more than 2 tools in my shop that are not YELLOW!

Nothing to day works like its advertised to or sold as.

I bought a new car 2 year ago… Soon as I drive it of the lot it already had 12 recalls notices in the glove box!

I wonder it ROME went this way just before they collapsed

-- “In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell

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MrUnix

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#5 posted 10-27-2017 03:27 PM

This guy has been sitting out there for almost a month, so I bet you could get it for less even though they claim the price is firm :)

https://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/tls/d/table-saw-delta-unisaw-3-phase/6332510046.html

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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David Schwarz

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#6 posted 10-27-2017 04:45 PM


This guy has been sitting out there for almost a month, so I bet you could get it for less even though they claim the price is firm :)

https://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/tls/d/table-saw-delta-unisaw-3-phase/6332510046.html

Cheers,
Brad

- MrUnix

Thanks Brad – indeed I saw that one, which compelled me to research Delta further. He’s (?) reasonably close to me, so definitely feasible and worth a look if this is a solid performer.

Anyone familiar with this particular unit?

David

-- I make trees cry.

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David Schwarz

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#7 posted 10-27-2017 04:51 PM


If your close to Grizzly I d go there and get a good cabinet saw

Grizzly Industrial Showroom Washington
1821 Valencia Street
Bellingham, WA 98229

Mo – Fr 8:30 am – 5:00 pm
Closed Saturday & Sunday

http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-Hybrid-Table-Saw-with-Riving-Knife-Polar-Bear-Series/G0833P?utm_campaign=zPage&utm_source=grizzly.com

- waho6o9

Bellingham is a bit of a stretch for me – I’m literally in the city of Seattle. I purchased a Grizzly band saw used (a 1019Z) from a local couple. Not a bad saw, but has these flaws:

1. Requires a non-standard size blade (either have custom made or buy direct from Grizzly).
2. The cast iron fence wasn’t cast at 90 degrees to the table mounting rail.
3. The table itself isn’t parallel to the base. Looking at the construction, I cannot see how this could have been caused by the owner and rather suspect it was a manufacturing defect.

So in conclusion, I’d prefer to steer clear of the lower end of the quality spectrum.

David

-- I make trees cry.

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David Schwarz

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#8 posted 10-27-2017 04:54 PM



Knowing what your budget is and where you are located would help.

- Ripper70

I’d say the budget should be less than $2K. Otherwise I’d be better off buying a new saw (unless a used saw in exceptional condition becomes available). For me though, $2K seems to be pretty far out there. Not looking for bells and whistles, just something that I can rely on for a straight cut – every time!

David

-- I make trees cry.

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DrDirt

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#9 posted 10-27-2017 04:57 PM

This guy has been sitting out there for almost a month, so I bet you could get it for less even though they claim the price is firm :)

https://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/tls/d/table-saw-delta-unisaw-3-phase/6332510046.html

Cheers,
Brad

- MrUnix

Thanks Brad – indeed I saw that one, which compelled me to research Delta further. He s (?) reasonably close to me, so definitely feasible and worth a look if this is a solid performer.

David

Anyone familiar with this particular unit?

- David Schwarz


Solid – but you will have to deal with 3 phase. I personally find it a deal killer – - -others ‘no big deal’ but I see a lot of the 3HP phase converters running 300 bucks.. so you just need to factor the ‘hassle cost’ of that into what you want to offer.
G5842 2-5HP is 250 bucks plus shipping
http://www.grizzly.com/catalog/2017/main/289?p=289

I would look at the Grizzly 0690 3HP saw at 15-1600 bucks. full 220V cabinet saw

-- “The two most important days in your life are the day you are born and the day you find out why.” Mark Twain

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David Schwarz

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#10 posted 10-27-2017 04:57 PM

I’m in no way trying to bash DeWalt – my “shop” is full of their products, in large part because they have served me very well. All I meant to say is that I purchased a saw meant for a different purpose than the one I’m trying to force it to adopt to. Profit margin likely dictated materials and craftsmanship – both of which aren’t up to the standards I want to apply to “my” table saw.

-- I make trees cry.

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David Schwarz

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#11 posted 10-27-2017 05:01 PM


This guy has been sitting out there for almost a month, so I bet you could get it for less even though they claim the price is firm :)

https://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/tls/d/table-saw-delta-unisaw-3-phase/6332510046.html

Cheers,
Brad

- MrUnix

Thanks Brad – indeed I saw that one, which compelled me to research Delta further. He s (?) reasonably close to me, so definitely feasible and worth a look if this is a solid performer.

David

Anyone familiar with this particular unit?

- David Schwarz

Solid – but you will have to deal with 3 phase. I find it a deal killer – - -others no big deal but I see a lot of the 3HP phase converters running 300 bucks.. so you just need to factor the hassle cost of that into what you want to offer.

- DrDirt

I’ll confess that I don’t even know what 3-phase is – I’ll need to look that one up and learn. But I have a good electrician, and the “shop” (actually, my garage now dedicated to woodworking) was just newly wired with a dedicated 100A circuit, so I should be able to “upgrade” as necessary (and I did forewarn the electrician that a 220V circuit could very well become necessary).

So for this saw, what should I look for that cannot be “fixed” with new parts. I can imagine a warped table for me would be a deal breaker, but what else should I “worry” about?

-- I make trees cry.

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AZWoody

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#12 posted 10-27-2017 05:03 PM


If your close to Grizzly I d go there and get a good cabinet saw

Grizzly Industrial Showroom Washington
1821 Valencia Street
Bellingham, WA 98229

Mo – Fr 8:30 am – 5:00 pm
Closed Saturday & Sunday

http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-Hybrid-Table-Saw-with-Riving-Knife-Polar-Bear-Series/G0833P?utm_campaign=zPage&utm_source=grizzly.com

- waho6o9

Bellingham is a bit of a stretch for me – I m literally in the city of Seattle. I purchased a Grizzly band saw used (a 1019Z) from a local couple. Not a bad saw, but has these flaws:

1. Requires a non-standard size blade (either have custom made or buy direct from Grizzly).
2. The cast iron fence wasn t cast at 90 degrees to the table mounting rail.
3. The table itself isn t parallel to the base. Looking at the construction, I cannot see how this could have been caused by the owner and rather suspect it was a manufacturing defect.

So in conclusion, I d prefer to steer clear of the lower end of the quality spectrum.

David

- David Schwarz

Which bandsaw is it? I’m not sure about the fence but there is no real standard blade size. If you go to any site to order bandsaw blades, you have to give them the size of the blade and they will make it for you. That’s been my experiencing when order blades as I have had a few different types of bandsaws.

Every bandsaw I have had has taken a little calibration to make sure the table is at a right angle to the blade. Most are set on a trunnion so you can cut not just a square angle, but any other angle you want to make.

As for the unisaw, they are some of the best table saws every built. You really can’t go wrong with one unless it was really mistreated.

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David Schwarz

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#13 posted 10-27-2017 05:09 PM


Which bandsaw is it? I m not sure about the fence but there is no real standard blade size. If you go to any site to order bandsaw blades, you have to give them the size of the blade and they will make it for you. That s been my experiencing when order blades as I have had a few different types of bandsaws.

Every bandsaw I have had has taken a little calibration to make sure the table is at a right angle to the blade. Most are set on a trunnion so you can cut not just a square angle, but any other angle you want to make.

As for the unisaw, they are some of the best table saws every built. You really can t go wrong with one unless it was really mistreated.

- AZWoody

It’s their 1019Z model. The trunnion for making mitered cuts is fine, and that is currently calibrated to 90 degrees. But it’s the other dimension (the one running parallel to the blade) that’s not parallel to the base – the same one that cannot be adjusted from what I can see :-(

Glad to hear that the Unisaw is a quality piece – encouraging. My luck though is always that it was “just sold” once I get enough free time to make a serious inquiry.

David

-- I make trees cry.

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Ripper70

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#14 posted 10-27-2017 06:52 PM

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#15 posted 10-27-2017 07:12 PM

I bought my first DeWalt a corded drill like 12 years ago and cant make it stop running.

- richardchaos


Did you try to pull out the cord ?

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