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Forum topic by MrRon posted 10-26-2017 08:51 PM 612 views 0 times favorited 13 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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MrRon

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10-26-2017 08:51 PM

I have to declare these forums are very valuable; not just Lumberjocks, but all forums. I say this because when I think back 40 or more years ago, when you were looking for advise, ideas, recommendations, etc. you either went to the public library or your local hardware. Hardware stores back then were treasure troves of information. The clerk was more than just a clerk; he knew what he was selling and could give you an educated answer to your question. He usually sold many different brands of tools and could give good advise.

Today all has changed. It is rare indeed to come across a store clerk who knows the good and bad of the tools he sells. Most don’t know anything about a tool other than the cost of it. They are just retailers out to make a buck. He is as interested in what he sells as a used car salesman. It therefore come to the point that there is no place to go except to a forum, like this one. When a clerk asks you; “can I help you”; what he means is which aisle is an item on.

I visit many different forums. I know there are people on those forums who share the same interests and can give intelligent replies. I recently posted a question about deck finishes and got many good replies based on their own experiences with the product. If I were to go to a paint store or big box store, the clerk would only be interested in pushing his own brand. Forums are a great place to share information and increase our knowledge of tools, processes, woodworking, design, etc. Over the years, I have never gotten bad advise or given bad advise (to my knowledge).


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ralbuck

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#1 posted 10-26-2017 08:54 PM

I have to agree. Although there is a load of CRAP on UTube there is also some very fine advice there too. It just has to sorted out.

-- SAWDUST is THERAPY without a couch! just rjR

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Rick_M

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#2 posted 10-27-2017 12:18 AM

According to my dad 40 years ago, they were lazy and couldn’t count change. And I bet his dad did the same. Every generation complains about youth. I’ve heard 30yo complain about 20yo, lol.

-- http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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waho6o9

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#3 posted 10-27-2017 03:37 AM

Good stuff

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oldnovice

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#4 posted 10-27-2017 03:41 AM

I have to agree with all above but one thing that really concerns me is the lack of common sense/knowledge by the younger the very younger, 20 to 30 year old, as they can’t even calculate simple percentage or for that matter name the last three presidents!
Maybe it’s just where I live!

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becikeja

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#5 posted 10-28-2017 12:43 PM

I am a self taught woodworker. When I started 30 years ago I was dependent on the Sears Craftsman sales clerk :(. Then the Big Box stores L and HD came to town, and my skill set improved with the knowledge of their helpful staff :). Ok, hopefully you recognize my early struggles. I remember the first time I stumbled across woodcraft and rockler. I have to admit they were very helpful, the only problem was the closest one was more than 500 miles away from me, so I only visited when traveling to a town that had one or through their mail order catalog. Even today the closest one is a 3.5 hour drive.

For me YouTube and Lumberjocks has been an amazing resource to help me not only with complex questions, but even simple ones in which I have just never had exposure to.

Now as far as educating the youth. Just because you read it and watch it on YouTube doesn’t mean you’re an expert. You have to actually do it, How many times does the video fall just a little short of actually getting it done, or the explanation on the forum assume you know just a little bit about the subject.

-- Don't outsmart your common sense

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01ntrain

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#6 posted 10-28-2017 01:07 PM

I learned early the value of these types of forums. I’ve always been a DIY guy and the info out there now is endless.
I’ve learned tons of info here on new tools, new finishes and others experiences. Other forums have taught me anything from changing out a Volvo 240 fan motor, to finding out why my work-van only blew air from the AC vents, to at one point, allowing me to have free TV for years. My next venture will be rebuilding the engine on the kid’s Subaru. From forums and Utube, that shouldn’t be a really hard feat, at all. The internet has a lot of garbage out there, but for a guy like me, it’s priceless.

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pontic

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#7 posted 10-28-2017 01:43 PM

Interestingly enough, I wear a back brace most of the time. When I go to a BORG and walk the isles looking for hard ware or a decent piece of pine or something invariably someone comes up to me and asks me a question. Such as; “What’s the best size wire to do this job” they have this blank look on their face and I can see a vision of their house burning down. I say ” why are you asking me”. They look at me with disdain an say ” ‘cuz you work here”
I then tell them that I don’t they then say “Well you wear a back brace so we thought…” I tell them I wear a back brace because My driver ran over an IED in the Gulf war and knocked me on my butt. They then apologize and some thank me for my service. On this occasion I asked them more about their project. Come to find out they were going to tie into a junction that was fed by a 15amp wire and come out with a 20 amp wire to run an extra heater in the laundry room/ breezeway. After a brief lesson in basic electricity and explaining how dangerous that modification they were going to do was going to be they decided to call an electrician to look at doing the job. They also vowed not to listen to her brother any more when it came to electricity. I asked them if they had ask any one with a back brace and a Blue vest for help. They said yes, but the first one said He was on break and the second one said she only worked in paint. I still get flagged down in BORG ’s when I wear my brace I don’t mind to much unless I’m real busy. The employees are a crap shoot if you get one that knows something about what you want.

-- Illigitimii non carburundum sum

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Rick_M

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#8 posted 10-28-2017 05:12 PM

Yeah, youtube and forums are a crapshoot. When I started woodworking the world wide web didn’t exist and I had no trouble learning how to properly use & tune a handplane or build a table. It required more effort to learn but it also required more effort to put the information out there so there was some vetting. Now it’s easy to be an expert: read a blog, watch a video, regurgitate. I see it on social media like reddit, where the person is repeating bad advice they wouldn’t be repeating if they tried it. On the other hand, youtube has saved my butt a few times especially with car or plumbing repairs. So on the whole, Youtube is a good thing, one of the best things to ever come of the internet. Social media, not so much, fail. Forums, 50/50.

-- http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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JADobson

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#9 posted 10-28-2017 05:56 PM

Oh look, old people complaining about young people. Never seen that before!

All kidding aside, it was the boomers who built the business model where employees know nothing about their products. If anyone is going to fix that its going to be millennials.

-- No craft is very far from the line beyond which is magic. -- Lord Dunsany

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Rick_M

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#10 posted 10-29-2017 04:26 AM


If anyone is going to fix that its going to be millennials.
- JADobson

Once upon a time peace loving, dope smoking, free love, hippies were gonna change America—they did, grew up and supported the “war on drugs”, the “war on terror”, popularized right wing media and fake news. Capitalism is a machine and “millennial” is a marketing gimmick created by that machine. Millennial only exists when someone is marketing something to you, not the other way around because there is no such thing as X, Y, or Z gen—only trends and fads.

-- http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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richardchaos

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#11 posted 10-29-2017 09:39 AM

DITTO!

If anyone is going to fix that its going to be millennials.
- JADobson

Once upon a time peace loving, dope smoking, free love, hippies were gonna change America—they did, grew up and supported the “war on drugs”, the “war on terror”, popularized right wing media and fake news. Capitalism is a machine and “millennial” is a marketing gimmick created by that machine. Millennial only exists when someone is marketing something to you, not the other way around because there is no such thing as X, Y, or Z gen—only trends and fads.

- Rick_M


-- β€œIn a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell

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JADobson

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#12 posted 10-29-2017 02:30 PM


“millennial” is a marketing gimmick created by that machine. Millennial only exists when someone is marketing something to you, not the other way around because there is no such thing as X, Y, or Z gen—only trends and fads.

- Rick_M

Perhaps, but the labelling is mostly irrelevant. Its just easy to use in conversation. I’ll agree with you that capitalism is a machine (and not a pleasant one).

-- No craft is very far from the line beyond which is magic. -- Lord Dunsany

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pontic

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#13 posted 10-29-2017 02:43 PM

People often Mistake capitalism for a form or system of government. It’s not even a social system it’s only a business model. Where the term “capitalism” takes on “living” qualities is where this business model is practiced in countries where it’s government gives corporations fiduciary rights of citizenship i.e. taxation and welfare protection (trade agreements, “national interest” and bail outs ). Vote away it’s citizenship and a new way of doing things will happen maybe worse a lot worse or better a lot better.

-- Illigitimii non carburundum sum

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