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Forum topic by jim C posted 02-09-2011 05:41 PM 4877 views 0 times favorited 54 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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02-09-2011 05:41 PM

Has anyone seen this? Looks like you can retrofit your existing table saw, or manufacturer’s will pick up on it.
No blade damage, no cartridge replacement. When it senses tissue getting close, (no contact) it shuts down the blade in 1/8th of a second. The blade can be re-started immediately after shut down.
This will give the lobbying attorney a run for his money. HA! I love when alternative competition to a monopoly are born.

-- When I was a boy, I was told "anyone can be President", now I'm beginning to believe it!

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#1 posted 02-09-2011 06:07 PM

I find it all kinda disgusting… not that the addition of an injury preventing device is not wonderful, but I do not like the way this whole thing played out. In fact it scares the hell out of me how it played out. It’s a complete abuse of our judicial system to push sales through lawsuits and an encouragement of big brother politics (and this from me.. a socialist) If anything I hope SawStop gets blasted out of the market. Go Go Whirlwind!!!

-- " 'Truth' is like a beautiful flower, unique to each plant and to the season it blossoms ... 'Fact' is the root and leaf, allowing the plant grow and bloom again."

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#2 posted 02-09-2011 06:24 PM

Thanks for the information The only other saw I have seen is the Saw Stop ( wiener saw ) which looks like it completely ruins the blade. Our politicians in Canada are no better than yours I can’t believe half the stuff they get away with and then a very large pension afterward .
Thanks for posting Jim


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#3 posted 02-09-2011 06:27 PM

I could have bought a Saw Stop for the same price I spent on my new unisaw but simply due to the crap surrounding the saw stop – when i say crap I mean lawyers and lobbyists – I opted for the uniisaw. Aside from the fact that the unisaw is a much superior tool manufactured completely in the USA with a US made marathon motor – not the Chinese made one in the saw stop, I can give you an earful on Chinese made motors like the one that is the the General International saw I had the the Unisaw replaced. – Don’t believe them – you know, General International, when they claim that the 50-260 has a TEFC motor – IT IS NOT TEFC. If it was the motor bearings wouldn’t have failed due to dust infiltration, I would expect the same from the sawstop.

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#4 posted 02-09-2011 06:33 PM

Encouraging development. Competition is good.

-- Greg D.

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#5 posted 02-09-2011 06:51 PM

The latest on the efforts of Mr. Gass – USA today article

If you plan to get a new saw, the prices are going up. I have said my piece on this and will say nothing more.

-- David in Damascus, MD

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#6 posted 02-09-2011 06:56 PM

removed since your link included my link.

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#7 posted 02-09-2011 09:42 PM

Amen to what GregD said. If this was available as an after market item I would buy it today.

-- Larry "Work like a Captain but Play like a Pirate!"

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#8 posted 02-09-2011 09:51 PM

I wonder if Gass is going to hire Oneida’s lawyer to go after Whirlwind? Lawyers….Pffffft

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#9 posted 02-09-2011 09:57 PM

I was unaware of the legal wranglings until reading this post. I had a neutral opinion of the SawStop until now. Now I wouldn’t own one if my fingers depended on it.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#10 posted 02-09-2011 11:22 PM

I hope David Butler (developer of Whirlwind) is successful. This is an innovative technology that deserves a chance in the market. It will be interesting see which manufacturer embraces it first.

And, without knowing specifics of his design, I would hazard a guess that he’ll be able to successfully defend any patent suits that may occur.


-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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#11 posted 02-09-2011 11:37 PM

With regards to the SawStop case:

In April 2004, Carlos Osorio took a job as a flooring installer for PT Hardwood Floor Service in Medford, Mass. According to the defendant’s trial brief, Osorio had never used a tablesaw before, so his boss showed him how to use the tool and cautioned him about the dangers. A couple of weeks later while installing an oak floor, Osorio was ripping a 21/4-in.-wide floorboard on a Ryobi BTS 15 benchtop tablesaw. The blade guard and splitter were removed and he was making the cut without a rip fence. His left hand slipped into the spinning blade, nearly removing his pinky finger and severely cutting two other fingers and his thumb.

So what happens when someone uses the SawStop BYPASS SWITCH and cuts their finger(s) off?

Tell me how THAT is any different than the Osorio vs Ryobi (SawStop Case)?

An equivalent ruling of justice would say that SawStop would be liable for allowing users to ”bypass” the safety features of the SawStop saw. And common sense says, “stupid operator.”

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#12 posted 02-10-2011 12:42 AM

There’s no way, with what politics/lobbying going on from the low-life ambulance chaser Gass, would I ever buy a Saw-Stop.
I don’t condone laws or directives that only serve to enrich attorneys and municipalities.
Seat belt laws only serve to enrich cities, towns through fines and tickets. I don’t need protection from myself. Saw-Stop protects the careless from themselves.
If people are not educated on the operation and safety issues of a tool/machine, people shouldn’t be using them.
Power mowers are sold to anyone and there are countless injuries every year. How do you regulate these?
Lawyers and many stupid laws protecting stupid people need to stop.
But it’s my wishful thinking in this litigious society.

-- When I was a boy, I was told "anyone can be President", now I'm beginning to believe it!

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#13 posted 02-10-2011 02:17 AM

First, let me say that you told it like it is, Mike. And I don’t always agree with what you say.

There is no way the verdict in the Osorio/Ryobi case made any sense at all. Anybody with a milligram of brains would have to say that was a bogus decision. A man with virtually no experience, removes all the safety guards, works without even the fence, and admitted when the wood he was cutting was binding, he chose to push even harder until kickback threw the workpiece out of his grip and caused the injury. Maybe the employer was at fault for not training him properly or for not being sure the guards were used when they should be. But no, this idiot jury determined the design of the saw was at fault.

On the other hand, don’t hold your breath waiting for “Whirlwind” to save the day. It only works with the guard in place. It detects the presence of anything on top of the wood you are cutting by proximity sensor. It stops the blade by using the motor as a brake, which takes several seconds to stop. It does not retract the blade. You can loose a hand in a table saw in milliseconds. In 3 seconds the blade in a table saw will make 180 revolutions. The surface of that blade will have will have traveled over 230 feet. A lot of fingers, hands, and arms could be cut by 230 feet of spinning blade. And, besides the fact that it is too slow to prevent injury when it is working, many cuts require the removal of the guard, and any little protection this system could offer is removed with it. So, if a mister Osorio was using a Whirlwind equiped saw, nothing changes. The saw would be at fault.

Oops, I stand corrected. I just now read that the Whirlwind now can stop a blade in 1/8 second. So, that means the fastest it can stop a spinning blade is 7.5 revolutions and that is equal to about a little over 9 feet of travel. I still don’t think I want to drag my hand across 9 feet of blade, but I’ll admit that’s better than their old system.

-- Michael: Hillary has a long list of accomplishments, though most DAs would refer to them as felonies.

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#14 posted 02-10-2011 02:37 AM

No the operator would be at fault. Just like the sawstop bypass switch, the blade take a few tenths of a second to stop on the whirlwind, removing the splitter and blade guard, and not using the rip fence. All of those things are safety features/guards that a user can disable or choose not to use. It was a choice to not use those items in the ryobi case and NO technology eliminates the operators ability to bypass it. No accountability for your individual actions is what Gass is relying on to legislate himself into a higher tax bracket.

-- -Director of slipshod craftsmanship and attention deficit woodworking

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#15 posted 02-10-2011 02:45 AM

Seat belt laws only serve to enrich cities, towns through fines and tickets.

Are you serious?? I mean really…....... are you SERIOUS?

- JJ

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