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Stormin

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1289 days ago

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I know this might be a ridiculous question but frustration has prevailed. I’m trying to install small #1 screws to hold some hinges I drilled a pilot hole just a tiny bit smaller than the screw but the screws still break off even before they bottom out,the wood is purple heart. I have tried 2 different types of # 1 screws ( Phillips and slot) Thanks

-- I started off with nothing I have most of it left


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swirt

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#1 posted 1289 days ago

If they are brass screws, then use an identical steel screw first, then remove it and put in the brass. If you are breaking steel screws, then you need a bigger drill bit.

-- Galootish log blog, http://www.timberframe-tools.com

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bhog

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#2 posted 1289 days ago

Smear a little bees wax or bar soap on the threads if you have the right sized drill bit.If you cant find bees wax I have used a toilet bowl ring also,worked fine and more bang for the buck.

-- I don't drive a Prius.

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fredf

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#3 posted 1289 days ago

From what I have heard, on steel screws soap may attract moisture and cause rust

-- Fred, Springfield, Ma

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childress

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#4 posted 1289 days ago

Second bhog. any type of wax. Paste, bees, or even an old candle…

-- Childress Woodworks

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Stormin

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#5 posted 1289 days ago

Thanks for the information guys I will have the wax handy in my shop from now on Also I will order a set of auger gimlets but use the same size steel screw in the meantime

Norm

-- I started off with nothing I have most of it left

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Don

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#6 posted 1289 days ago

Try using a tapered pilot bit if you aren’t already. They allow you to drill as deap as the screw is long so it doesn’t bottom out but can still grab.

-- Don - I wood work if I could. Redmond WA.

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TopamaxSurvivor

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#7 posted 1289 days ago

Norm, be thankful it is the screw is breaking off. I broke my wrist trying to loosen a screw about 25 yrs ago :-(

-- "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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Pop

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#8 posted 1289 days ago

Never had a problem with soap. If anything the moisture makes the wood swell and tightens the screw. I haven’t used soap for years I found wax. All half used Christmas candles go to my shop after the holidays. I use the heck out of ‘em. Putting brass screws in hardwood is a tribulation at best. Swirt has the trick. Use steel screws the same size as your brass screws and make the hole. Then put in the brass screws. I am now using square drive screws. The’re great. Buy a few and give them a try. You may want to go that way. If not you’re not out much money.

Pop

-- One who works with his hands is a laborer, his hands & head A craftsman, his hands, head & heart a artist

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#9 posted 1289 days ago

If all else fails, drill the hole the same size or very slightly larger, then coat the screw in epoxy or CA just before insertion into the over sized hole.

-- Michael :-{| “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” ― A H

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Stormin

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#10 posted 1289 days ago

Hi Pop in Canada pretty much all the screws we use are square ( Robertson ) but our hardware mostly come from the states so the screws are usually Phillips or slot head. So far I haven’t seen any brass Robertson screws in the smaller sizes. I appreciate your reply Thanks

crank 49 I did use some lock tite on one of them to see how that would work Thank You also

-- I started off with nothing I have most of it left

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Stormin

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#11 posted 1289 days ago

Geez Bob you didn’t look like the type that would have a limp wrist LMAO :-)

-- I started off with nothing I have most of it left

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richgreer

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#12 posted 1289 days ago

I really like the Kreg screws. They have a little cutter on the end and you do not need a pilot hole. They are also very strong. I like to drive them with an impact driver. Nothing beats a good screw.

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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dbray45

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#13 posted 1289 days ago

In a really hard wood, with any screws that small, I am guessing that these are hinges, the screws are prone to snap off. – try this—
Mortice out the area below the hinge plates, put a piece of softer wood (pine works well) in the mortice. Have the screws go into the material in a cross grain direction not into the end grain. It is a little more work but it holds the screws without snapping them off. If you make the mortices smaller than the hinge plates, you won’t see the modification. This also works in repairing where the screws already snapped off.

-- David in Damascus, MD

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TopamaxSurvivor

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#14 posted 1288 days ago

I just drill a hole that is about the size of a round toothpick, put a little glue on it, poke it in the hole and screw in the screw. Works good for striped out screw holes too.

-- "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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Richard

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#15 posted 1288 days ago

Fred, if he is only using the steel screw to get the hole to right size and then replaceing it with brass screw the moisture won’t be an issue.

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