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LearningAsIGo

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10-16-2017 04:25 PM

Topic tags/keywords: paint finishes diy

I dabble in building things. More often than not I paint instead of stain. My favorite primer is zinsser cover stain which is oil based. I usually go over that with Benjamin Moore Waterborne Satin Impervo or Advance. If I feel that I need poly I’ll use general finishes high performance.

When you buy a painted piece of furniture at the store (example pottery barn) or have your cabinets redone is the finish likely pre-cat lacquer or conversion varnish?

Is there is a more durable paint that a DIYer could use? I haven’t tried oil based paint but I usually go with lighter colors and don’t want anything to yellow.

Would Target Coatings em6500 waterborne lacquer be a step up?

If I were able to get my hands on pre-cat lacquer and sprayed it outdoors would that be safe? I’m sure there is a learning curve but you can’t learn if you don’t try right?


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#1 posted 10-16-2017 04:57 PM

Have you tried General finish Milk paint? It’s very good and has lots of colors

-- Aj

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LearningAsIGo

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#2 posted 10-16-2017 07:42 PM


Have you tried General finish Milk paint? It s very good and has lots of colors

- Aj2

I haven’t but since it is a water based finish I would assume it would have similar performance to advance and impervo. Also unless I’m using white I like to be able to have paint tinted to a specific color. Attempting to achieve a specific color by custom mixing the colors they offer doesn’t seem like it would go well.

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Fred Hargis

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#3 posted 10-16-2017 08:06 PM

My guess is the commercial concerns are using a pre cat something, but they want their product finished and dry within minutes instead of days. Actually i think what you’re using is pretty good in the durability are. If you have success with those products why change? As good as some of the waterborne finishes (like Advance and Impervo) are today, the gain in durability from using oil based paints is a lot less than it used to be.

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#4 posted 10-16-2017 09:05 PM

For what it’s worth, I personally prefer oil-based paints and coatings over all else. The reason is that they can be thinned, tinted, and mixed in so many different ways right in your shop. They can be easily sprayed with the right equipment. In my experience, they hold up better than the water-based paints and the clean-up is easier. Oil-based coatings also don’t seem to have as severe health hazards as polyurethanes, two-part urethanes or pre cat lacquers carry. To me, their biggest drawback is a longer drying time – plus the fact they are getting harder to find these days.

I personally do not like the latex-based paints at all.

But then I’m an old fart and oil-based coatings are what I grew up using. For all I know there may be far better coatings out there which I haven’t tried.

I like the two-part urethane based coatings for durability and glossiness, but they are very expensive and there is a steep learning curve with those. They may be great for painting professionals, but amateurs and occasional painters should probably stay away from them.

Lots of luck to you in your search for the perfect coating!

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#5 posted 10-17-2017 02:28 PM

My current method of painting has worked so far. But if I could find something else with a faster cure and recoat times that would be great. The recoat time for advance is not ideal (16 hours), and it takes awhile to cure. And the waterborne impervo is only available in lighter colors.

What is the difference between waterborne lacquer and advance which says it’s a waterborne alkyd? Would the lacquer dry harder and faster? Looks like em6500 is $53/gallon. That’s around what a gallon of advance costs.

I also had an issue once with a dark color in a Sherwin Williams paint, after months it still had not cured and anything placed on the item would stick. I have read that darker colors can have that issue. Although it may have just been the Sherwin Williams paint itself because I didn’t have that issue with Advance. Benjamin Moore was closed that day and I needed paint. Won’t make that mistake again.

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#6 posted 10-17-2017 05:09 PM


For what it s worth, I personally prefer oil-based paints and coatings over all else. ... They can be easily sprayed with the right equipment. ... clean-up is easier.

- GnarlyErik


Are you saying that a quick swipe of overspray from water based polyurethane that is already dust when it hits the ground is more difficult than tedious cleaning sticky oil oversray that sets everywhere even on the ceiling ?
Or rinsing your spraygun in water is more difficult than cleaning it with thinners ?

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