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Jeff82780

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1292 days ago

I dont know what the heck I am doing wrong! At first I was having problems with these longs linear bumps and scratches in my boards. I was told that it was from a nick in the blades. So I bought new blades. I think the new blades are worse off than my old ones (which were’nt really old). Marks all over the place.

This morning I put pencil lines across the board I was running through the jointer. Well, after I ran the board through I checked to make sure the knives were cutting properly. Half of the pencil lines were still there! So I went on the web to watch some videos about adjusting the knives. I adjusted them with a jig similar to a jointer pal. I ran another board through the jointer and no again only half of the board was being jointed.

What am I doing wrong? This is so frustrating. Are jointers usually this much of a pain in the butt, or is it just me? Anyone know what I can do to fix my problems


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bhog

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#1 posted 1292 days ago

If the board you are trying to join is cupped or twisted you will need quite a few passes.Is the fence 90* to the table? Double check that.Are you joining the face or edge?

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#2 posted 1292 days ago

also which half of the board is being jointed. is it one side vs the other, or is it front vs back. know what i mean?

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cabs4less

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#3 posted 1292 days ago

check your outfeed table hieght it should be the same hieght of the knives at the top of thier arc then check the knives wit a straight edge to the out feed table to make sure they are all the same hieght then raise both tables above the knives and check thier level they should be in line wit each other then reset the the out feed table to the same hight as the knives and set the in feed table to cut a 1/16 and run a 2x on eger without contacting the fence and check your cuts if its bumoy one of your knives is to high if its not cutting then your infeed table is not inline wit your outfeed then knives

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Jeff82780

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#4 posted 1292 days ago

Yea, the fence is 90 degrees . I am jointing the face of a board

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#5 posted 1292 days ago

As Brandon said, you may have to run the face over the jointer several times before it is flat and you have removed all of the pencil lines. If you are using a board that is already flat on that face, then there is something wrong going on.

When flattening a face, you should not put pressure against the fence. You are trying to make the face flat, not perpendicular to the edge against the fence. I usually skew the board slightly so that at most one point is contacting the fence, unless that is not possible because of the length and width of the board..

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miles125

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#6 posted 1292 days ago

The two tables must be parallel. The outfeed side must be even with the height of the knives that must also be installed in a straight and true alignment with the tables. Not really complicated. Just frustrating and nearly useless until you get those things right.

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#7 posted 1292 days ago

Crank your in feed table up to just above the blades. Assuming your blades are set dead even with the out feed, the two tables should now be even. To check, lay a long straight edge across both….from in feed front edge to out feed back edge. Slide the straight edge from the fence towards you, pushing the guard away. Keep looking for space under the straight edge.
If you see ANY variance between the tables, one or both tables need adjusting.

-- Gene 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

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Jeff82780

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#8 posted 1292 days ago

The outfeed table is the same height as the knives. When i say that half of the board not being joing, I mean split down the middle, left and right. Not front and back. I know that it will take a few passes before the whole board will be jointed, but I ran the board through at least 10 times and half of the board was still not jointed

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Gene Howe

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#9 posted 1292 days ago

Your board is cupped. Lower the in feed table a bit (take a deeper cut) and see it the cuts get closer together.

-- Gene 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

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#10 posted 1292 days ago

A jointer is a very simple machine, however, using it properly is not as simple. I do not recommend using an industrial tool with out some professional assistance or direction for safety and to get the desired results. The purpose of a jointer is to true one side of a board. That means to render it straight on one edge in order to rip or process it in some way while running it against a fence. It’s purpose is not to give that edge a perfectly smooth finish because it usually won’t, especially if you run against the grain.
For a smooth edge you’ll need to sand it, perhaps with an edge sander.

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superstretch

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#11 posted 1292 days ago

Do you have burrs on the outfeed table? That might be causing the scratches

-- Dan, Rochester, NY

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#12 posted 1292 days ago

Do you mean the entire right side of the board along the length is not being cut while the left (or vise-versa) is- like your blades are only working on the one half? Perhaps the blades are not leveled, one end is lower than the other. A jointer is a VITAL tool, so don’t give up- you’ll figure it out!

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TMcG

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#13 posted 1292 days ago

To answer your main question, Yes, absolutely ! A giant PITA !

That said, once you get the hang of it, after going through multiple setups, knive replacments, redoing it all over again and then, finally, getting the technique part closer to the truth, they’re great.

Hang in there, use something soft to experiment with and refine technique

tony

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Jeff82780

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#15 posted 1292 days ago

well, I lowered the infeed table and that seemed to work a bit, but the jointer just didnt sound right, like it was ready to bog down and the board that i jointed wasnt all that smooth.

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