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Forum topic by Siv posted 10-12-2017 03:34 PM 799 views 0 times favorited 15 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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10-12-2017 03:34 PM

I have a Bosch 1617EVS mounted in my router table and a whole bunch of Whiteside 1/2” bits and love it. I’m making lots of frames these days and want to get a palm router so that I can do roundovers etc on completed pieces which don’t work so well on the table since the the bed isn’t that large. But from what I can see, all palm routers come with 1/4” shanks.

So if I get a palm router, am I also stuck buying a while bunch of 1/4” bits? Or is there a palm router that will take a 1/2” bits?

A palm router plus just one good quality bit is the same as buying another 1617 which is rather annoying! I’d rather have the smaller router for freehand work.

And to add more complication, I have a whole bunch of Black & Decker 20v cordless tools. The Makita cordless palm router is very attractive but different battery. So do I wait for a B&D cordless router to come out? I have the router attachment for the Matrix system but it’s unwieldy and underpowered (and the 1/4” bits are cheap rubbish which may be half the problem).

So is there a palm router than can take 1/2” bits? If not, should I just bite the bullet and buy a palm router and a bunch of 1/4” bits? Or should I wait until B&D come out with a cordless router and just struggle on for now…


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#1 posted 10-12-2017 03:52 PM

I had basically the same questions/dilemma the I bought a Bosch Colt palm router.

I doubt you will find a palm (or trim) router that takes 1/2” shank bits, You can buy special adapters that adapt 1/2” shanks to 1/4”, but the routers lack the depth to make these useful and they are just plain scary if ever so slightly off balance.

So what to do?

I find I use my trim router primarily with small radius round over bits and the occasional hinge mortice bit.
The 1/4” bits are refreshingly inexpensive compared to their 1/2” cousins and given you are not working these bits to death, you can get away with buying non-Whiteside bits “on sale” for even more savings.

Look at it as a complementary tool to your router table setup. If your 1617EVS also came with a 1/4” collet, you can do double-duty with any 1/4” bits you buy

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#2 posted 10-12-2017 03:57 PM

All the palm routers I’m familiar with only take 1/4” bits. If you decide to get a smaller router consider a compact size router like the Dewalt or Porter cable they come as sets with two bases fixed and plunge and they have more power than the standard plam router.

https://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DWP611PK-Torque-Variable-Compact/dp/B0049ZFUK2/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_469_tr_img_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=8NQ3CSEV8TV06PT9A1CY

https://www.amazon.com/PORTER-CABLE-450PK-Compact-Router-Plunge/dp/B0046A8V6A

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#3 posted 10-12-2017 07:34 PM

I have 3 different 1/4” compact routers. The Bosch Colt, the Dewalt DWP611PK that Jim linked to and I just picked up the Cordless Makita about a month ago.

They are all fine routers – I just use them for different things. For example, the Dewalt is dedicated for use with my tracksaw.

I really like the Makita Cordless – it uses the same accessories as does the corded model. So how old are your Black and Decker batteries – maybe it’s time to think about replacement/upgrading. I really like the Makita battery platform – they have so many different tools available.

Regarding my Bosch Colt – the only thing I don’t like about it is the collet lock is known to fail. Luckily there are flats that you can use on the shaft and when I called Bosch about it, they sent me a small wrench for free

So I would vote for the makita cordless :)

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#4 posted 10-12-2017 07:50 PM

Small routers handle so well for light trim cuts
I recommend getting one and investing in
1/4” bits as you need them.

When I got started in woodworking 1/2” routers
were becoming the thing and I went for it. The
bits were so expensive too. Later I started
doing more work for clients and started using
lighter 1/4” routers to get things done quickly.

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#5 posted 10-12-2017 09:30 PM

I finally bought a second 1617evs and keep them set up for the different shaft sizes. And I bought a Bosch Colt and also the plunge base. That works great. And then I got a Makita corded palm router and keep a round over bit in it, since I’m always needing to round over something. You can’t have too many routers.

I don’t think anyone sells a palm router with a 1/2 inch collet. The closest you can get to that is probably a Milwaukee body grip router. I have one of those too, and it’s easy to handle with the body grip strap.

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#6 posted 10-12-2017 10:51 PM

Thanks guys – I’m very tempted by the Makita cordless but it’s near $400 including batteries and other goodies… That’s a lot for occasional use.

I’m quite heavily invested in the B&D setup – they’re all 20v and I have 4 drills (2 matrix), circular saw, recip saw, work light, 10” chain saw, leaf blower, edge trimmer :) and the matrix router and jigsaw attachments. And I have loads of batteries – it’s cheaper to buy a drill with battery than to buy the battery separately (which is why I have 4 drills). After looking at Makita’s array of cordless tools, I’m a little sad that I bought into the B&D stuff…

I think I’ll probably go with a Makita corded palm router since it’s only $140 with the plunge base and get a few 1/4” bits (I missed the deal with ACME on the Bosch Colt). If B&D ever come out with a cordless router then I’ll jump on that.

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#7 posted 10-13-2017 01:40 AM

A few of us bought the Bosch PR20EVSPK from Acme Tools based on a deal announced on Rick_M’s Deals thread. It’s a kit with a fixed base and plunge base along with an edge guide and a sturdy case. It looks like it’s backordered right now, but for $129 minus the $20 deal they are offering through the end of the month it comes out to $109. Their shipping is very reasonable too. Neither of the bases accept PC bushings, so I bought the optional plate that accepts them for about $7.

For that low of a price, I wasn’t too worried about it being 1 hp versus the 1-1/4 HP for the PC DeWalt. It is a palm router after all. I have plenty of other routers with more HP if I need that. This will be used mostly for mortising hinges in door frames, where the lighter router will be a welcome change from my PC 7529.

Edit: I just saw your comment that you missed the deal. I know the $20 off $100 is still going on, did it just end for that tool?

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#8 posted 10-13-2017 02:23 AM

For a small handheld router I have the one from harbor freight and it really works good for what I have used it for.

when I wanted to get a second trim router, I got this one from Home Depot. You can get it in the store for $99 or, if you buy it online, you get a free 1/4 sheet sander thrown in with it. To me, this is the best deal you can get for a trim router.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/RIDGID-5-5-Amp-Trim-Router-with-Free-1-4-Sheet-Sander-R24011/202488411?cm_mmc=Shopping%7cTHD%7cG%7c0%7cG-BASE-PLA-AllProducts%7c&gclid=CjwKCAjwpfzOBRA5EiwAU0ccN6dRyg_jOtubQHq2bmRpib9-f0lozfkDFCbxNMZ4mU2K65QzwmlSSxoCPnQQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&dclid=CPyQwInF7NYCFYT7ZAodmRMHgA

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#9 posted 10-13-2017 05:47 AM

Grizzly has a nice combination set very much like the Porter Cable and the Dewalt (2 bases). Price is around $80, it has ample power (7 amps, I think), a shaft lock, and variable speed. Has a metal body, and feels very solid.

The one thing I don’t like about it is that you have to make your own base plate to accommodate the PC guide bushings for template use. Not that hard to do, but an annoyance.

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#10 posted 10-13-2017 02:21 PM



Edit: I just saw your comment that you missed the deal. I know the $20 off $100 is still going on, did it just end for that tool?

Rich, I can’t seem to buy it on the ACME tools website. I’ll keep looking to see if it comes back in stock but it seems to have been very popular at that price!

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#11 posted 10-13-2017 03:31 PM



Rich, I can t seem to buy it on the ACME tools website. I ll keep looking to see if it comes back in stock but it seems to have been very popular at that price!

- Siv

The web site says arriving in 7 to 10 days, and the $20 off doesn’t end until the 31st. Maybe you can pull it off. That low price is worth waiting for, IMO.

-- No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationery.

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#12 posted 10-13-2017 09:17 PM

Regarding buying the Bosch Colt at the Acme sale price.

Do you have a credit card that offers some sort of ‘price protection’? My Costco Visa does. I purchased a Bosch Sander from Acme about 10 days ago and then Acme sent me their 15% off one tool promo on Monday. I went to the website, plugged in the code and sure enough, the price dropped from the $309 that I paid to the $285 sale price. I took a screenshot showing the item in my shopping cart along with the date and time and sent it off to Citi – they call it their “Price Rewind”. If you can find a lower price within 60 days, they will refund you the difference

https://www.citipricerewind.com/how-it-works

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#13 posted 10-13-2017 11:44 PM

The Dewalt is the only one with lights built in.

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Siv

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#14 posted 10-16-2017 03:55 PM

Thanks everyone. I’m not sure what I’m gonna do now – I spent this month and next month’s tool allowance on a bandsaw!

I’ll keep an eye out for the ACME tools deal and any other deals and pounce when funds permit.

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Rich

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#15 posted 10-19-2017 02:18 PM

According to toolguyd.com, Amazon has the $20 off $100 Bosch promotion going until the end of the month. They have the palm router kit for $162 before discount, which with $20 off isn’t a bad deal, just not as good as Acme had.

https://www.amazon.com/b/?node=7641062011&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

-- No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationery.

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