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MountainMan3325

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10-11-2017 10:00 PM

Topic tags/keywords: table saw purchase delta sawstop question tablesaw

I have been putting off buying a new table saw for a long time, as I have been using a contractor saw, but as my projects grow into using higher dollar boards and more precise cuts, I need to up my game.

I had looked at the Rigid Table Saw, as I worked for Home Depot doing wood working displays during Christmas 12 years ago, and loved the old saw that had true cast iron wings. Guess this is the reason I never see the new saw setup in stores.

Anyway after much debate and research, checking reviews here. I have narrowed it down to two saws.

The first being a Delta 36-L552, which I really like, but a few people that seemed to use it more commercially said parts were hard to get and Delta’s Service is not what it use to be. For what these saws cost I expect them to last a good long time and service to be good.

The second is the SawStop PCS 31230-TGP252, which I saw at a Woodcrafter store and after checking out the companies site, was impressed. However the reviews are mixed, as I have seen great reviews on it , and then seen people bad mouth the saws saying they are not worth the cost.

I plan on adding a router to the extension table, and building a base to more the table easily in the shop.

As I am building a home I will be building cabinets, built in shelves, and plan on doing a lot of projects for friends over the years, so I want a saw that will last and do a good job.

My budget will be roughly $3,000.00 As the SawStop is at the upper end of that budget.


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knotscott

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#1 posted 10-11-2017 10:54 PM

The Saw Stop 3hp PCS with the T-Glide fence is a heck of a saw. I have not heard of any legitimate systemic issues, but there are a lot of people who aren’t fans of owner/inventor Steve Gass, which is most likely where most negative sentiments stem from.

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avsmusic1

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#2 posted 10-11-2017 11:25 PM

Have you ruled out used?

As I’m sure you know, there is a LOT of threads about the merits of certain saws. If I personally had 3k to spend I’d buy a used saw, jointer, and planer

I have an 80s unisaw and PM66 and combined they cost about 1k (though they needed a bit of TLC). Even if you’re not looking for a project saw, which I can certainly understand considering your house is a pretty big project in and of itself, Craigslist can save you quite a bit

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Madmark2

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#3 posted 10-11-2017 11:39 PM

Incra LS-III fence will raise whatever saw you choose to the next level.

M

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MountainMan3325

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#4 posted 10-12-2017 12:23 AM



Have you ruled out used?

As I’m sure you know, there is a LOT of threads about the merits of certain saws. If I personally had 3k to spend I’d buy a used saw, jointer, and planer

I have an 80s unisaw and PM66 and combined they cost about 1k (though they needed a bit of TLC). Even if you’re not looking for a project saw, which I can certainly understand considering your house is a pretty big project in and of itself, Craigslist can save you quite a bit

- avsmusic1

I have looked online, as I considered a used saw, and in my area not a lot of non contractor/job site saws. The ones I have found are in rough shape, and I worry about parts for older saws, and then the ones that are in decent shape the price is within 500-700 of a new saw. If I could find a decent saw, that I knew parts were available, and was priced 1600 or below I would consider going used.

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Ripper70

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#5 posted 10-12-2017 12:55 AM

If you’re building a home, I’d expect you’ll be putting any saw through it’s paces. Does the 5 hp motor on the Delta vs. the 3 hp on the SS carry any weight? I don’t think you could go wrong with either saw but the Delta puts enough extra cash in your pocket for things like dado stacks, Incra miter gauges, etc. Worth considering.

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#6 posted 10-12-2017 01:12 AM

Anyway after much debate and research, checking reviews here. I have narrowed it down to two saws.
The first being a Delta 36-L552 … The second is the SawStop PCS 31230-TGP252
[...]
I have looked online, as I considered a used saw, and in my area not a lot of non contractor/job site saws.
[...]
If I could find a decent saw, that I knew parts were available, and was priced 1600 or below I would consider going used.
- MountainMan3325

Between the two, the Unisaw is much more machine for less money.

Unisaw (36-L552 5hp w/52” Biesemeyer fence) – ~$2800
Weight: 665 pounds
Table: 31” deep, 13.5” from front to blade at max. height
Max dado: 1-1/8”
Warranty: 5 years

PCS (3hp w/52” fence) – ~$3000 [1][2]
Weight: 449 pounds
Table: 27” deep, 10.25” from front to blade at max. height
Max dado width: 13/16”
Warranty: 2 years
[1] Additional standard and dado brake cartridges will add to cost
[2] Blade selection is limited when using the brake

Parts availability is a non-issue, although Delta did go through a rough patch after Black and Decker got through with them – which effects mostly parts on older machines (see here for some good background info on what happened).

Used would be the best bang for the buck however, and if you went with a well known machine, such as a Unisaw or PM66, parts are still available – although you will rarely, if ever, need them… they are built like tanks. For $1600 or less (and quite possibly a LOT less), you can absolutely find some really nice used cabinet saws, and they usually come will all sorts of extra goodies that you would otherwise have to go out and purchase separately (mobile bases, blades and dado stacks, over-arm guards, etc…).

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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avsmusic1

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#7 posted 10-12-2017 01:17 AM

Where are u located?

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bigJohninvegas

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#8 posted 10-12-2017 02:04 AM

I have used saw stop saws, and am very impressed.
And I agree with Knotscott that I have never heard anything bad except what has already been mentioned.
For the Saw Stop saws that I have access to. (Local wood shop school).
The few mechanical issue that I have seen were fixed with a phone call and a fed ex shipment.
Typically a student breaking something.

-- John

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Craftsman on the lake

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#9 posted 10-12-2017 02:24 AM

Look, I moved from a 1985 delta contractors saw to a sawstop PCS 3hp. I figured if I was going to replace an old saw with something new I would get one that shouldn’t cut off my fingers and I wouldn’t be one of those people who might say, “I should have sprung for the SS.”

That being said, I must say that the saw is a precision piece of equipment. You’ll hear a lot of people talk about the previous owner (as sawstop was recently sold) and how he charges to much for his safety featured saw but you shouldn’t find anyone who owns one saying much bad about it.

And…. Even though I’m 62 I bought one. I told my 30 yr old nephew to get it, when setting up his shop, as he’s got many years ahead of him to put his fingers near a rapidly spinning blade with hooked carbide teeth. To me it was a no brainer.

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Jim Dawson

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#10 posted 10-12-2017 03:37 AM

I recently went from a Delta 36-725 to a Sawstop PCS 3hp 36” fence and couldn’t be happier. I added a router lift to the extension table.

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coxhaus

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#11 posted 10-12-2017 04:36 AM

I have an older Unisaw and I am quite happy remodeling my kitchen using it. I think you will be able to find a good Unisaw for $1100 or less. They have gone up in value in the last couple of years. I paid less several years ago. I also paid less for my 20 year old 18 inch Minmax bandsaw than they sell for now.

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MountainMan3325

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#12 posted 10-12-2017 01:43 PM



Where are u located?

- avsmusic1

I am in Southern Indiana, I have checked the local craigslist, which is Louisville, and there was a RockWell and a Grizzly for around 1000-1200. Further North I did find an older Delta that was wired for 3 Phase, that needed some TLC, which I know I can convert to run on single phase. However I am always leery of buying used as I have been burnt in past thinking I got a great deal only to end up spending as much as I could have bought new to get it back in working order. However I will keep looking and hope I can find one that is in good shape.

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Blindhog

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#13 posted 10-12-2017 02:27 PM

I’ve had the 3hp SS ICS for the past two years and have been very pleased with the engineering and performance of the saw. I have owned a number of cabinet saws in the past and the SS is one of the very best I’ve owned/used.
I’m 69 and work in my shop alone as I am retired. While I like to think I’m still as sharp as ever, I know my reactions are not what they once were and I take advantage of every safety feature I can get. The last place I want is to be in the emergency room with a Dixie cup full of fingers wishing I would have sprung for as SS.

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jonah

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#14 posted 10-12-2017 02:34 PM



The last place I want is to be in the emergency room with a Dixie cup full of fingers wishing I would have sprung for as SS.

- Blindhog


Well said, sir.

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#15 posted 10-12-2017 04:33 PM

Saw Stop !!!! You will never Regret it .

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