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10-05-2017 07:11 PM

I am using one side of hard maple as a substrate for mesquite veneer. The maple side will be the side that drawer hardware attaches to for a chest. Was curious as to the movement stability of hard maple. I have thought of baltic birch also (very stable) but not sure how edge banding that would look (of course I have to edge band the maple also).

TIA

-- Tim, Houston, TX area


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#1 posted 10-05-2017 07:34 PM

I’m guessing it is plywood. The inner plies
probably determine its stability more than
the thin face veneer would. In any case,
plywood is generally quite stable dimensionally.
As you’ve probably noticed larger pieces
have a tendency to “potato chip” to varying
degrees. MDF and particle board tend to
be flatter, if stored flat.

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#2 posted 10-05-2017 07:45 PM

The maple is solid wood.

-- Tim, Houston, TX area

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#3 posted 10-05-2017 08:21 PM

Why would you edge band solid wood?

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#4 posted 10-05-2017 08:30 PM

I wouldn’t count on Hardmaple for stabity. Listen to the voice that told you to ask this question.

-- Aj

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#5 posted 10-05-2017 08:34 PM

I am using one side of hard maple as a substrate for mesquite veneer.

Shouldn’t be a problem if you orient the grain in the same direction. Generally you would veneer both sides of the maple to balance it. Don’t edge band solid wood, it serves no purpose.

-- Bondo Gaposis

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#6 posted 10-05-2017 08:36 PM

I would think hard maple at least as stable as mesquite, but not stable enough to edge band with grain running in the opposite direction. If you can band it with matching grain direction, I would think it would be fine.

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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#7 posted 10-05-2017 09:07 PM

Veneering only one face will destabilize even the best plywood or solid wood.

Be sure to use a stabilizing back face veneer and you could use nearly any substrate and get decent results.

Given the choices you listed, I would be choosing the Baltic Birch and filling any edge voids before banding.

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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#8 posted 10-05-2017 09:11 PM

It might be ok if you veneer both sides at the same time. If you do not do this I will guarantee problems.

hard maple is not that stable, veneering will add stress on one side. If you do both sides, you are sealing the wood in.
this should actually help as long as the grain all goes the same way.

edge banding will be fine as long as the grain goes the same direction.

-- nice recovery, They should pay extra for that mistake, Eric E.

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#9 posted 10-05-2017 09:16 PM

In this case, AI dont want the maple to show thus the edgebanding. I am not restricted to the thickness of the edge banding as I have to make it myself. I have not been able to find mesquite veneers of any sort.

-- Tim, Houston, TX area

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#10 posted 10-05-2017 09:21 PM

Erictwice, may I ask why you think hard Maple isn’t stable?

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#11 posted 10-05-2017 10:39 PM


I have not been able to find mesquite veneers of any sort.

I’ve seen it but it’s rare. My guess is for at least two reasons:

1.) Most sawmills cut them in mantle slabs, 8/4 or 4/4 because that’s where the demand is.

2.) It’s got so many cracks and crevices and holes that if you cut really thin pieces of the good looking stuff it can be brittle and fall apart. The only way around this is to dump in epoxy and sawmill guys are not going to do that.


The maple side will be the side that drawer hardware attaches to for a chest.

Sorry, confused here. If the hardware is on the maple side, where is the mesquite going? Why not use 100% mesquite?

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Bohaiboy

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#12 posted 10-05-2017 10:55 PM

Hi Colonel, this is part of a jewelry case and there will be a door that swings open on the mesquite side. Was trying to shave a few bucks here and there so i thought a substrate with a veneer might help. I have plenty of mesquite to veneer if need be. Here is a pic of the design in progress that maybe explains a tad more.

-- Tim, Houston, TX area

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#13 posted 10-05-2017 11:22 PM

Forgive me, I feel like an idiot – you said you wanted the hardware on the maple side BUT! you wanted mesquite veneer. Is that veneer covering the drawer fronts and/or the entire drawer? Or is the veneer for that door?

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Bohaiboy

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#14 posted 10-05-2017 11:32 PM

The drawers are faced with birds eye maple and maple drawers. The rest of the drawing currently is 100% mesquite. The hardware is the drawer hardware (slides)

-- Tim, Houston, TX area

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#15 posted 10-05-2017 11:39 PM

Hard Maple facts from a guy who know his stuff.

http://www.woodworkingnetwork.com/wood/wood-explorer/hard-maple

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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